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invasion1973
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Posted: Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 11:40 PM UTC
Hi, I am new to this forum so "Hello" to everyone

Was wondering if anyone could advise on Airbrushes?

just getting back into building models and have decided I need to get an airbrush of some kind, at the moment I am thinking about the Aztec A470 as it seems to have everything I would need like nozzels etc.

Before the Aztec I was thinking of the Revell flexable, although I like the look of this model with its 360 rotating paint jar I couldnt seem to find a range of nozzels for it or even any replacment nozzels/parts. This leads me to another question do you need to have a selection of nozzels or will one do everything if you adjust your technique.

As you can probably tell I am going round in circles on this subject

any advice much appreciated
invasion1973
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Posted: Monday, November 07, 2005 - 12:29 AM UTC
Hi,

Thanks for the help appreciated

I searched for ages to find a shop that stocked the revell replacment parts with no luck.....the site you gave gave me has the lot, Thanks!

wonderlandmodels has agood price on the Aztec like you said ...very tempting indeed.

At this moment in time I am building a Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-10 and a sopwith Camel both 1:48

but once I have built up some of my modelling skills I will want to build dioramas mainly.

Think I will go and have a read of that article you gave me at finscale.com...see if that helps me decide any .

just out of interest what air brush do you use ?

Thanks again for the help

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Posted: Monday, November 07, 2005 - 12:46 AM UTC
Hi http://www.netmerchants.co.uk carry a range of Aztec Airbrushes and nozzles.
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Posted: Monday, November 07, 2005 - 01:01 AM UTC

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Hi http://www.netmerchants.co.uk carry a range of Aztec Airbrushes and nozzles.


Btw, is netmarchants good place to buy stuff, in general? I'm thinking about buying myself a christmas present from there.
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Posted: Monday, November 07, 2005 - 04:17 AM UTC
Hi

I own a Revell Flexible and it’s not a bad airbrush. I've had mine about 6 months and like you I bought it because of the 360-degree function. It all sounds well and good, BUT....

Paint jars are a pain the bottom. Not only do you have to put loads of paint in, they fall out when they are heavy. Dropping a glass paint jar full of paint on to the kitchen floor, which then explodes and covers the floor with glass and paint is one way to get a kicking by the Mrs.

The 2cc gravity fed cup is tiny. This is good when you have a small area to do, but try undercoating a whole 1/35 tank! Not a chance - so that's why they have the jars right? Also it's a pain to clean. It's too small to get a cotton-bud all the way to the bottom of the cup where the needle is.

The nozzle. Well what can I say about the nozzle. It's made of tin foil (well not really but it may as well be). Just looking at it causes a chip to appear at the end. I've gone through 2 in 6 months! And they are £7 each and I've had to order them both from Germany. In the instructions it says that if the nozzle becomes jammed in the sleeve, tap it on a flat surface. DON'T!!!!! Leave it and soak it in cleaner and see if you can wiggle it out with your fingers.

Revell only sell three needles and these come in large, medium and fine (you get the fine with the Flexible . To use a different needle you will need to buy a new nozzle and spray end as well (they don’t come in sets, just as replacement parts - you can get these from themodelcatalogue.co.uk and a full set will set you back £££, if they have them in stock.

I’ve just bought an AB-130 airbrush from ebay. It’s unbranded but parts can be ordered very easily from the manufacture in Poole. I bought it from a 3rd party seller for £22 with free next day P&P. The only other thing I had to buy was a new air-line as the my Revell one does not fit the AB (different sized screw fitting at the airbrush end (it’s larger)) – this cost me £6 (the Revel cost me £14!!). A replacement needle and nozzle set is available for £8 for the whole kit (note: that there is only one size).

For under £30 I got a dual action internal mix gravity fed airbrush with a 7cc cup (it’s huge). It has a paint regulator screw and when you add this to a good compressor (say running at 5psi) I can get consistent pencil line thickness with no fear of too much paint – always a problem with the Revell. To get really fine lines you unscrew the needle cover, and for large areas, screw this back on and fill the cup (it comes with a cover as well). Cleaning is easy as the large jar allows you to wipe out any paint with a paper towel. As with the Revell you can adjust the trigger tension and strip the whole thing down. The only weak spot is that the trigger S plate on the AB-130 is not attached the trigger spring cover as on the Revell and it’s a bit fiddly to get back in place. But this is the only weak spot I’ve found after nearly a week of use! Oh it comes with only a single sheet of instructions, which give you a part list and how to clean it. Unlike the Revell instruction BOOK which comes with loads of tips and troubleshooting advice (but who needs this? That’s why we have armorama!!)

The Revell Flexible is a great little airbrush, but there are some nice alternatives (and cheaper)
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Posted: Monday, November 07, 2005 - 04:26 AM UTC

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Btw, is netmarchants good place to buy stuff, in general? I'm thinking about buying myself a christmas present from there.



Yes, they are one of the best online stores in the UK. Great service and a good range at fair prices
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Posted: Monday, November 07, 2005 - 05:24 AM UTC
I use a Testor's/Aztec and recommend it for a first AB. Keep it clean and it should last forever. If it doesn't, their customer service is second to none.

Start simple and slow. My first AB was a Paasche VL. Couldn't figure it out and I got so fed up I gave up on airbrushes for two years. Now I have three, know how to use two, and have a great time.

Shaun
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Posted: Monday, November 07, 2005 - 08:19 AM UTC
A.J.

When deciding to purchase an airbrush, you might want to divide your attention and cash to both Airbrush and Compressor. A good compressor is just as important as the AB. Make sure the compressor has a regulator that will allow you to range from 8 PSI (pounds per square inch) to about 30 PSI. Also make sure you have at least one water trap hooked up to the compressor, some airbrushes come with an in-line water trap. As far as the AB, the only thing I would suggest, is to purchase a dual-action AB, single actions are nice, but will limit your ability in the long run, (ie; using the AB as a drying tool when applying very thinned out coats of paint) You want a good reliable AB that you can grow and learn with. I've had my Paasche VLS now for 13-14 years and it's a workhorse. I purchased an Iwata about 2 years ago, and have still to use it!, goes to show that once you've achieved a comfort level, it's hard to switch. The only concern I would have with the Aztek, is the make-up of the components, from what I understand, it's mainly plastic (Am I correct?), if you use a strong cleaner, say lacquer thinner, will this not wear out the parts?

Whatever you decide, just practice, practice, practice, start off with out of box models, and concentrate on the painting..... good luck. ( and make sure your painting area is well ventilated!!!)

EDIT - One more thing, I understand that AB and compressors are quite expensive in the UK,.... is anyone aware of issues with buying from North America or Japan??? (to give you a reference point, my VLS is selling for $115 CDN and my Iwata HPB for about $135)

Frank
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Posted: Monday, November 07, 2005 - 08:51 AM UTC
i had testor some problems with nozzles, they work well realy but i wouldnt let go of my badgrer 150. i managed to pull of a camo im realy proud ( check my gallery, its the king tiger) with a medium nozzle. You might want to consider badger for sure. low price, easy to get pieces.

Frank
invasion1973
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Posted: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 01:58 AM UTC
SIM,

Thanks for the warning about the revell, it is a shame as on paper it looks good ...and as you said it isnt a bad Airbrush. The wife would go crazy if I dropped a paint jar full of paint on the kitchen floor wouldnt be good at all!

I dont facy ordering new nozzels every 3 months either I think I will look at some alternatives.

DEREK:

Thanks for the advice on the Aztec Airbrush I am 95% sure I am going to go with the A470 for £88 do you think it is worth paying extra for the metal version?

So now I am 95% sure on the A470 which compressor do I go for? I found this today http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/index.php?ecom_siteid=120&product_id=22720&option=Prod_detail
I thought it may be just the thing, but what do you guys recomend.

Frank Portela:

Thanks for the compressor advice, what do you think of the Ripmax model in the link above?


Thanks to everyone else whgave advice much appreciated
Clanky44
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Posted: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 10:27 AM UTC
A.J.

I've not heard of Ripmax, but seeing the photo, it definitely looks robust, and seems to have all the necessary attachments.

Frank
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Posted: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 11:06 AM UTC
I've got the Aztec. I rarely use it. I know I've got a Badger...someplace.

I believe that if you can find the money, buy the best. A friend who is a fantastic builder suggested that I check out Iwata. I've now got 2 Iwata airbrushes and love them both!
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Posted: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 11:40 AM UTC
Iwata! Iwata! Iwata! Iwata! Iwata! Iwata! Iwata! Iwata! Iwata! Iwata! Iwata! Iwata!

I have a 470 that I only use to apply future now that I have two Iwatas. A HP-C and a HP-C Plus.
Clanky44
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Posted: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 02:38 PM UTC
I have the Iwata HPB, and to be honest, it's too much of an illustrators tool (not a bad thing - just not good for us neanderthal meatheads!). Very fine lines, but cloggs up very fast with acrylics (enamels should fare better). In hindsight I should of purchased the HPC, a bit bigger in the hand too, makes for a better feel. The other concern is the frailty/cost of the tip, my friend replaced his for a whopping $45 CDN (OUCH!) where as the Paasche VLS tip is $5 CDN.

Frank
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