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Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
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Help with paints
markm
Joined: September 11, 2005
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Posted: Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 11:27 AM UTC
I am in the process of changing over to acrylics from enamel paints. I plan to still use enamel for some small parts of the projects, but I am going to be using acrylics for airbruxhing the bigger parts of armor and aircraft. The question I have is what particular brand will have the most selection. I always tend to buy one brand of something and stick with it. Anybody have any ideas on what gives me the most color selection and quality. So far I have been looking at Model Master acril, Tamiya or Pollyscale. I presently use Model Master enamel and sometimes Humbrol.
jazza
Joined: August 03, 2005
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Posted: Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 11:36 AM UTC
Alot of modellers here dont stick to one brand only because there is always something missing in a specific brand. ie: Tamiya does not have a light sand colour in the 50ml bottles so you can either mix existing Tamiya colours or look for something similar by Model Master.
I personally have a more predominant Tamiya range and i choose to mix the existing ones to get the desired colour. You can do this with any brands obviously. Dont restrict yourself to a specific brand as its one less limitation you can do without.
I personally have a more predominant Tamiya range and i choose to mix the existing ones to get the desired colour. You can do this with any brands obviously. Dont restrict yourself to a specific brand as its one less limitation you can do without.
markm
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Posted: Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 11:46 AM UTC
I believe you are correct. My local shop pretty much only carries MM enamels and very few Tamiya paint colors at all, so I would have to order online anyway. What would be a good starting set of colors to buy for WWII German, Allied and Soviet armor. I have almost all of the colors in enamel now but I have noticed that some of the colors have different names with different brands?
I still plan to use my enamels for some parts of the project.
I still plan to use my enamels for some parts of the project.
jazza
Joined: August 03, 2005
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Posted: Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 12:00 PM UTC
For the sherman tank that i built, i used alot of Olive Drab, Flat Black, Semi Gloss Black, Gun Metal, Buff and NATO brown and green. These are the tamiya names. Those would be a good starting point but if you are purchasing Tamiya kitsets as well, they are normally indicated on the instructions manual on the second page.
Bear in mind also that the instructions manuals arent always correct when it comes to the colours so like all things, use your better judgement and refer to photos to get a better guide on what colour you should use.
Bear in mind also that the instructions manuals arent always correct when it comes to the colours so like all things, use your better judgement and refer to photos to get a better guide on what colour you should use.
AJLaFleche
Joined: May 05, 2002
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Posted: Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 12:38 PM UTC
Tamiya's colors are limited and not matched to any standard. The color range has not changed since their introduction in hte early 80's so you have no excat match to any modern colors. You'll be palying alchemist to get the colors of a MiG 29, Su27 or any Desert Storm or newer armor. If you find yourself in a situation where you need to hand paint something, these won't work at all. PollyScale is excellent paint for airbrushing, pretty much the right consitency from the bottle. They have a much wider range and have some matches to some esoteric colors. They aren't overly brush friendly for one coat, but won't lift like Tamiya's do. MM has the widest range of matched colors from WW II forward. They are airbrush and regular brush friendly.
markm
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Posted: Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 04:27 AM UTC
Does anyone know if any of the brands sell sets the way MM does with the enamels that are matched like Afrika Corp colors or WWII German aircraft colors. I have a heck of a time trying to figure out the paint matching and this is usually a weekend or day off hobby for me until I retire (in several years). I bought all of the MM color sets in enamel but am looking for the same in acrylics if possible.
invasion1973
Joined: November 07, 2005
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Posted: Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 06:38 AM UTC
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They aren't overly brush friendly for one coat, but won't lift like Tamiya's do.
When you say "lift" do you mean the paint lifts off the model over time or while you are painting ? and does this apply to just brushing?
Sorry if this sounds like a dumb question but I am just getting back into modelling and wasnt sure what you ment !
A J
umustb
Joined: April 27, 2005
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Posted: Monday, November 14, 2005 - 03:04 PM UTC
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When you say "lift" do you mean the paint lifts off the model over time or while you are painting ? and does this apply to just brushing?
Sorry if this sounds like a dumb question but I am just getting back into modelling and wasnt sure what you ment !
A J
Hi AJ..
I believe it's because Tamiya paints do take a longer time to dry. So when another layer of Tamiya paint is applied, the wet paint tend to lift off the surface of the model onto your paint brush. Forming clumps of paints. This usually happens when you use a paint brush to paint. If you have an Airbrush, that won't occur.
Anyway, welcome back to modelling... HTH
AJLaFleche
Joined: May 05, 2002
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Posted: Monday, November 14, 2005 - 04:07 PM UTC
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When you say "lift" do you mean the paint lifts off the model over time or while you are painting ? and does this apply to just brushing?
Sorry if this sounds like a dumb question but I am just getting back into modelling and wasnt sure what you ment !
A J
Hi AJ..
I believe it's because Tamiya paints do take a longer time to dry. So when another layer of Tamiya paint is applied, the wet paint tend to lift off the surface of the model onto your paint brush. Forming clumps of paints. This usually happens when you use a paint brush to paint. If you have an Airbrush, that won't occur.
Anyway, welcome back to modelling... HTH
Yes, this is a real problem with brush painting Tamiya. Yhe surface seems to dry almost instantly, skinning over. When the next brush stroke touches this, it dissolves the skin, causing the paint to break up and lift from the surface. I haven't seen this with any other paint, not even the original formula Tamiya paints.
markm
Joined: September 11, 2005
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Posted: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 03:31 AM UTC
I had the same problem once with Tamiya paint lifting back onto the brush.
I just found a site selling "Lifecolor" paints. Can anyone tell me if they are any good or not? I see that they have various sets available, which is what I am looking for right now.
I just found a site selling "Lifecolor" paints. Can anyone tell me if they are any good or not? I see that they have various sets available, which is what I am looking for right now.
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