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Dismounted TOW?
merkava8
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 07:04 AM UTC
Which company makes the best dismounted TOW? I have the Academy Hummer TOW which looks pretty good ( plus the added advantage that if I rape it I can still make a normal hummer) I know the Italiari one sucks. Keep in mind I need the TI sight.

Thanks guys.
sarge18
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 07:31 AM UTC
So far, I have dealt wiht three different TOW sets. Italeri's, Academy's(Humvee), and Tamiya(although Tamiya's was in the form of the copy made by Academy), and so far, the one I enjoy the most, and "feels" the most accurate is the Academy one. Italeri's is weak, at best, but, having compared them to the real thing, the best feel of the bunch is still Academy's, for me. There are things to do to spruce it up, of course, like tinkering with adding more details, but so far, that's it. Just my pennies worth. Jed Sargent
m60a3
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 07:40 AM UTC
DML's Anti-Tank Troops has the best 1/35 TOW launcher unit. Italeri had a semi-usable one in their modern arms set, but once the DML one came out, that is far and above the best injection molded TOW.
sarge18
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 08:43 AM UTC
Ahhh. Knew I missed one. LOL Haven't played with the DML kit yet. *grin*
Sabot
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 09:31 AM UTC
The AFV Club one that comes with their Wiesel is rather nice.
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BroAbrams
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 09:59 AM UTC
I like the DML one also.

Rob
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 11:59 AM UTC
I saw the M40 as a separate kit. Never saw the AFV TOW.

Sabot, did the AFV one come with all the goodies?
Sabot
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 12:51 PM UTC
I believe you may be confusing the AFV Club TOW with Skybow's M40A1 Recoilless Rifle that they packaged separately along with their M2HB .50 Caliber Machine Gun. These "kits" originally came with their M38A1C and M38A1 Jeep kits.

I do not know if AFV Club packaged their TOW system that was included in the Wiesel kit separately. I think the AFV Club TOW is a neat little kit into itself and includes PE parts which are on the same PE fret as the rest of the Wiesel PE parts. I do not believe it was sold separately, but if it was, I'd buy a few and replace all other ground TOW launchers with the AFV Club one.

Cookie Sewell says it is "the finest TOW launcher I have ever seen, numbering some 29 parts plus etched metal trim." Cookie Sewell's AFV Club Wiesel 1 TOW Review is located at this link.

This post is in response to a personal request for additional information. My intent is not to sharpshoot or disprove any previous poster on his or her views on which dismounted TOW system kit is the best. I stated my opinion on which TOW kit I thought was best and have posted a link to a renouned armor model expert's opinion on the same kit.

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shiryon
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 03:46 PM UTC
There is also a nice PE set Off hand I dont remember which company made (ABER or Eduard) but gotta agree with the rest Dml kit if you can find one.

Hey rob is all this disclaimer stuff really needed ? I thought this was all just for fun?

Josh WEingarten
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 04:43 PM UTC
Josh, I've been attacked several times in the last few weeks for answering questions that were asked. Therefore, I've limited my posts to adding to the conversational nature of threads (as I did when saying what TOW I thought was nicest).

I will also only answer questions personally posed to me specifically (as was asked about the availability of the TOW kit separately).

I add the disclaimer to alert any persons who may read something into my response (like a perceived attack or an attempt to refute their opinion) that my post is just a statement of my opinion and that their opinion is equally valid. There is no attempt on my part to change anyone's opinion on what TOW is the best. Additionally, I posted a link to a review by someone who I consider an expert.

As far as fun, the TOW is a nice piece, that is well detailed. All the fidley bits on it do not make it very fun to build. I suggest a good pair of tweezers and one of those magnifying glass things to see it. The Wiesel itself is smaller than a HMMWV, slightly larger than a Jeep. Neat little kit, one of them is molded in white (TOW I think, the 20mm one is in dark green?). I have both and highly recommend them for the modern armor builder. The drive sprocket is made of a couple of pieces of PE and is rather petite.

Any way, if the TOW is marketed separately, I'd buy it.

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Epi
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 04:46 PM UTC
All you guys are correct.
I liked the AFV TOW system but it came with the old TOW MGS(Missle Guidence Set) and not the upgraded TOW2 MGS set. DML in my opinion is second best. The reason is because the AFV actually came with the Day Sight locking handle and the DML one did not.
It was ABER that came out with the photo etch set and it was made for the DML kit because it also came with stuff for the Dragon in the kit too.
Just a note for you guys, dont follow the cabling on the box art for the DML kit. It is wrong. The reason why I no this is because I actually work on the TOW system in the military. As a matter of fact, two weeks ago I had to work on an ATAS4/C which is one of the versions of night sights that sit on top of the day sight on the system. If any of you guys want any technical info or just asking a question on the system, I'll be glad to help.
PEIRECCE
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 01:01 AM UTC
I have tried the Aber set and It does refine some of the detail, I used it on the Tamiya tow with the TI sight from academy. I haven't used anything else. It gets a little pricey though for such a small kit. Merkava you would have the ultimate reference to help with the small details. I hope the course is going well.
ARENGCA
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 07:35 AM UTC

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Josh, I've been attacked several times in the last few weeks for answering questions that were asked. Therefore, I've limited my posts to adding to the conversational nature of threads (as I did when saying what TOW I thought was nicest).

I will also only answer questions personally posed to me specifically (as was asked about the availability of the TOW kit separately).

I add the disclaimer to alert any persons who may read something into my response (like a perceived attack or an attempt to refute their opinion) that my post is just a statement of my opinion and that their opinion is equally valid. There is no attempt on my part to change anyone's opinion on what TOW is the best. Additionally, I posted a link to a review by someone who I consider an expert.

As far as fun, the TOW is a nice piece, that is well detailed. All the fidley bits on it do not make it very fun to build. I suggest a good pair of tweezers and one of those magnifying glass things to see it. The Wiesel itself is smaller than a HMMWV, slightly larger than a Jeep. Neat little kit, one of them is molded in white (TOW I think, the 20mm one is in dark green?). I have both and highly recommend them for the modern armor builder. The drive sprocket is made of a couple of pieces of PE and is rather petite.

Any way, if the TOW is marketed separately, I'd buy it.

Disclaimer: If this question was answered in error, or an answer not required/expected/wanted, please notify me and I will delete the post. This post is not intended as an attack on any persons posting prior to or after this post. Please feel free to disregard/disbelieve/discount any information contained in the post.



You have got to be kidding. I haven't been around much lately, but have we really descended that far in the discussions here? If so I am very disappointed, as this was one place that I could always depend on civil discussions and honest opinions. Where did these over-sensitive, thin-skinned types come from? More importantly, is there a way that we, as a group, can stop them from ruining the candid discussions that were always the best part of this forum? Surely those of us with thicker skins can handle this before others feel as Rob does!

BTW, Rob: I understand why you feel this way, I just find it hard to accept that you feel that you must post this way. I wish I could change things. PM me when you have time.
merkava8
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Posted: Friday, November 22, 2002 - 12:28 PM UTC
Thanks guys.

Sounds like the concensus is DML. I'm in TOW so I should be able to see how close it is.
Cheers all.

PS Sabot It's getting pretty bad when you have to put a disclaimer on your post. I thought it was a joke when I first saw it
2CDO
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Posted: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 12:33 PM UTC
I have built the dml tow system with troops and i enjoyed it but there is one problem with it doesn't come with a wire from the rocket to the computer so i had to improvies. The things that come with it is the tow gunner, commander, and anouther dragon gunner. It comes with a dragoon anti armour rocket, a tow, and a extra rocket for the tow with the computer
Baldeagle
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Posted: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 01:53 PM UTC
Just to give you another very good choice for 1/35th scale TOW look at the Tamaya Ford MUTT kit. The Mutt comes with both pedistal mount and personnel mount as whell as extry canisters, control boxes and it is not very hard to build. I have always been a very good fan of any thing AFV Club has to offer many of there kits that I have built have been very good for detail as well.
shiryon
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Posted: Thursday, November 28, 2002 - 04:39 AM UTC
Marcel can you scan the instruction sheet from the HF TOW kit, I have the azimut one and would like to compare the difference. Or a photo copy.........

Josh
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