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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Pzr IV 'Schmallturm' progress pic's.
Henk
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Posted: Friday, November 25, 2005 - 12:26 AM UTC
Hello all,

Whilst at Telford last week, I piicked up the Panzer IV 'Schmallturm' kit by Azimut. I don't usualy build " what if's ", but this one was looking so resplendid with the 'Thoma' skirts, all mesh and PE and resin... I could not resist. . We all live and learn.. well, that's what I have been saying anyway.

Short blurb about the kit, it's the usual Azimut fare, some basic parts from mainstream manufacturers, supplemented by a host of PE and Resin conversion parts. The kit supplies indy tracks, drivesprocket and idler by Academy. Lower hull, rear, front and upper sides by Italeri. Wheels by Tristar. Azimut supply the resin hulltop, turret, suspension and various bits like the upright exhausts. Also the PE and the woven mesh for the mesh skirts. An alluminium barrel is included, but unfortunately was missing in my kit. Probably due to hasty packing for Telford? An email to Azimut was very quickly responded to, and the barrel is on it's way as we speak ( type? read? ).

As usual when opening a box from Azimut, mixed feelings abound. On first reflection the resin castings seem rather 'sloppy' and more about that later. But that is Azimut, they need work, but turn into nice models, of rare subjects which are either not at all catered for, or only in less than impressive plastic. This is a kit for somebody with experience with Resin, Filler and 'making things fit'...Not simple, but very rewarding in the end.

I've made a fair bit of progress, and will get straight in with some pic's.
I'll be showing mainly pic's of problems, and the remiedies I used to correct/fix them. For pic's of Academy or Tristar sprues, I refer you kindlly to their relevant reviews/sites..

Straight in, a big disapointment has to be the turret. Some of the vision block holes do not line up with the covers, and the casting around them is rather rough. Some of the vision block covers are also damaged. The cuppola hatch is a tat smaller than the cuppola entrance, which means that you either have to open the hatch ( which means you have to add a figure) or try to fill the gap. The next problem, albeit not visible when finished, is the turret bottom fit. It doesn't. It needs to be trimmed to fit, but the shape doesn't follow the turret exactly. Minor I know, but indicative of the fit of the resin parts.





Another fit issue is the Italeri upper hull sides to the Resin deck. Although the deck has the right shape and angle-in at the front, the corner is to far forward, causing the hull sides to be positioned to far forward. This leaves a gap at the back, and extending bits at the front. It also means that the front part needs to be extensively trimmed. It should fit across the front as one single part. But if you trim back the hullsides, you will loose the little lift hook brackets on the corner, and the side vision ports will be noticable to far forward. I hope the photo makes this clear. A lot of filler and sanding in this area. .





I've got as far as this last night, more progress tommorow.
And although all this may sound very negative, I'm enjoying this kit. All my Azimut kits are the same, casting is sloppy, fit is not good, but I like the subjects, and when you managed to get it all done in the end, it gives me more pleasure than sticking a perfect kit together. Where's the challange in that.. :-) :-) .



Cheers
Henk
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Posted: Friday, November 25, 2005 - 07:55 AM UTC
Hmm. Looking at the last photo, I wonder why they left the splash guard on the hull top? The turret overlaps it, so it would have to be removed.

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Posted: Friday, November 25, 2005 - 08:20 AM UTC
Henk, looks great so far... I'm all about the "what ifs" in German AFV.

I recently post a thread on Panther II. The feedback I got on the DML kit schmalturm is that the turret is too large. I figure your Azimut turret would be much close to the dimension. Could you tell me the mesurement from the widest point on the side. I gotta do some cutting to "shrink" the size of my DML turret.

Thanks,

WC
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Posted: Friday, November 25, 2005 - 09:51 AM UTC
David,

Interesting thought about the splashguard. I was wondering about that myself. The way the turret fits in the deck it clears the splashguard, so I presume that the splashguard is there to keep the turretrace clear from mud etc. ? I know, presume doesn't hold with proper research etc, but seeing as the Schmallturm was never put into production on account that the turret weight overloaded the chassis I think that a little 'licence' can be applied. I'm building this one as it comes, but I'll email Azimut to get some more background info as to what references they might have used in designing the kit. The only reference I have found is on 'Achtung Panzer', which only shows one drawing (sideview).

Benjamin,,

I'll take some measurements for you later, as I didn't bring the kit with me tonight.

Cheers
Henk
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Posted: Friday, November 25, 2005 - 09:23 PM UTC
The splash guard was supposed to deflect bullets and splinters from getting into the crack under the turret.

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Posted: Friday, November 25, 2005 - 09:29 PM UTC

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I wonder why they left the splash guard on the hull top?



An educated guess would be leaving the spash guard on the hull. Since this is only a mock turret using a exsiting panzer IV hull.

When this armor is ready for production, I'm sure the designer would make the necessary changes.

That's my 2 cents.

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Posted: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 01:07 AM UTC
Hi all.

At last a bit more progress..
The photo's show basicaly how far I've got. I have started the skirts aswel, but they take a long time as my Super Glue is as slow as it's strong...
Tonight I'll try to get all the filler areas cleaned up ready for paint, and finish the skirt mounting brackets and rails etc. I'll have to try and get the periscopes sorted out.
I'll play around with some clear acetate and will have to get the milliput out (again). The suspension is on, the wheels will have to be painted first.
I've started to put the Academy indylinks together, and although they leave much to be desired, I think they'll be o.k. for this project.
I'll try to get some pic's of the tracks up later. I looked at Accurate Armour, but they only have " Ostketten " and "Winterketten" for the Pzr IV.

Turret with handles of wire, and a look at the 'Periscopes....', not the most impressive piece of casting I've seen...








Benjamin, I made so ( approx) measurements of the turret dimensions. I hope the drawing is clear, if you have anymore questions ( or have found any references...) just shout.


Edit < Fair enough,, another major fubar... I'll blame the computer... stand by for pic's and drawing shortly.....>

Edit II < Photo's sorted, but posting a drawing in my post seem to be beyond my meagre skills..
I'll PM you later Benjamin..

Cheers
Henk
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Posted: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 03:13 AM UTC
Henk,

It would almost seem better to remove the cupola and replace it w/a plastic one... I look forward to seeing how you rectify that.
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Posted: Monday, December 05, 2005 - 04:14 PM UTC
been very busy at work this last week, only got to spend some decent time modeling last night .

Made some good progress, the skirts are about finished,and with a bit of luck I'll start painting tonight. Turret still needs a lot of work, and the barrel. The barrel has not yet arrived, I send another e-mail last night to Azimut, and await their response... .
I'll start thr turret repairs tonight with Milliput. If I can't fix it, I'll have to consider replacing the whole cuppola, but I'd rather not.

I'll upload the photo's as soon as the gallery is functional again..

Cheers
Henk
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Posted: Monday, December 05, 2005 - 04:31 PM UTC
Hi WIldcard,

Can you give me a link to that thread? I'm building the Panther II as well.

Cheers,
Soren


Quoted Text


I recently post a thread on Panther II. The feedback I got on the DML kit schmalturm is that the turret is too large.

Thanks,

WC

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Posted: Monday, December 05, 2005 - 05:33 PM UTC
I'd like to see it, but all I see are red x's.
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Posted: Monday, December 05, 2005 - 05:50 PM UTC
Hi Brian,

Untill the gallery is fixed, you can so the pic's in my gallery, such as here .

I had a look in your gallery, and you seem to have a liking for for "possibly" and "not quite made it" vehicles? I like your Maus setting, I'm thinking of placing my Pzr in a Factory setting, with engineers going over their calculations, wondering why the Panther turret is to heavy for the Pzr IV chassis.. . Or, in a paintshop.

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Henk
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Posted: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 01:20 AM UTC
Henk, Thank you for the valuable info! I shall make the necessary changes once I start my build!

Wolfhead, here's the link:

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/64117&page=1

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Henk
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Posted: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 05:09 PM UTC
Just a quick few pic's of the skirts and the brackets.





I've put this on hold for a few days whilst I wait for a response (and barrel...) from Azimut, and in the mean time I'm building a M110A2 for a commission.

Cheers
Henk
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