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Really neat, but gettin' kind of scary.
sgirty
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 11:20 PM UTC
Hi, I was over on the Dragon site a bit ago and happened to come across that calender page that shows what these folks are coing out with on their new Panzer IV Ausf. D kit. I saw on #10 that it looks like they are molding seperate bolts to hold the gear teeth on to the drivers with. 24 of them!

Now I think that this is super neat and all, but I'm getting a little scared-in a good way of course-as to what these folks have in store for us builders in the future. You know?

Take care, Sgirty
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 11:32 PM UTC
If that's correct, they may be reaching a point where the because-you-can factor comes in. How efficient is it for a builder to be cutting 1/35 bolts off sprue, cleaning them and attempting to attach them to another part in a specific pattern without getting excess in the joint and not loosing them?
sgirty
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 11:38 PM UTC
Hi, Wonder if we'll have to "screw"" them into the holes? Ha, ha! Maybe a mini-socket set will be the next tool we builders will be needing someday. That and a nice solid wall to bang our heads into after putting one of these together.

Take care, Sgirty
RedLeg
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 11:42 PM UTC

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If that's correct, they may be reaching a point where the because-you-can factor comes in. How efficient is it for a builder to be cutting 1/35 bolts off sprue, cleaning them and attempting to attach them to another part in a specific pattern without getting excess in the joint and not loosing them?


:-) especially with my Fat fingers :-) they are like sausages

redleg
Simon
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Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 12:41 AM UTC

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If that's correct, they may be reaching a point where the because-you-can factor comes in. How efficient is it for a builder to be cutting 1/35 bolts off sprue, cleaning them and attempting to attach them to another part in a specific pattern without getting excess in the joint and not loosing them?


My thoughts exactly. Sometimes I ask myself "Why the does it have to be so (++) complicated?"

If its true that you'll have to add bolt to wheels on tanks, whats next?

Figures:"Now add nails on fingers. Be sure to add the correct nail to the correct finger"?

3442
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Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 05:27 AM UTC
And the carpet monster will strike again :-)

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Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 05:30 AM UTC
I think they are just showing off. Just gimme' the d*** sprocket like they used to. "Q"
Henk
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Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 06:54 AM UTC
This will open a new opportunity for after market companies. Replacement simplified parts....

Cheers
Henk
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Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 07:00 AM UTC
I saw that the other day.

IMO thats just crazy. If I have to put bolts on a drive sproket then the hobby for me at least begins to become less fun.

Having said that I am sure Dragon will have an option for us mere mortals to use a sproket with the bolts already molded.
barv
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Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 07:19 AM UTC

Now who is going to .........."THE DARK SIDE" ??
"Beam me up..Scotty"
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generalzod
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Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 07:31 AM UTC

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I saw that the other day.

IMO thats just crazy. If I have to put bolts on a drive sproket then the hobby for me at least begins to become less fun.

Having said that I am sure Dragon will have an option for us mere mortals to use a sproket with the bolts already molded.


I hope so I think my 1/72 DML T34 had less parts than those sprockets do :-)
ProfessorF8
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Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 07:59 AM UTC
This is when the model company is confusing means and ends. Originally, I think we all griped when stuff was molded together, not because we wanted more to glue together, but because it made the finished product look shabby (Remember molded on/together pioneeering tools, ha ha!). On the other hand, if a subassembly can be accurately and intricately represented by injection molding technology, I think we all could live with the fact that these parts were milled, forged, or stamped separately on the real thing.

I happened to be working on AFV Club's M10 and Tamiya's M26 at the same time several months back, and I was amazed at the difference--despite all the working suspension shenanagans, Tamiya's philosophy to cutting molds is still conservative, compared to AFV club's mania for intricately dissected subassemblies.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 09:51 AM UTC

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I think they are just showing off. Just gimme' the d*** sprocket like they used to. "Q"

Right On! Do the seperate bolt-with-left-hand-metric-thread for 1/25 and larger scales.I saw signs of detail saturation on the first Gen2 kit.Seperate muzzles and sights for a 1/35 KAR98? How about fixed bayonets for hand-to-hand vignettes?
It's gotta stop somewhere.A single kit is a pastime,not a career.
cheers!
Torchy
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Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 01:36 PM UTC

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And the carpet monster will strike again :-)

Frank


must spend half my life retreaving parts from certain doom :-)
Martinnnn
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Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 02:32 PM UTC
Lol in about a year we will have PE fingernails for 1/35 figures if this keeps going on like this :-)
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Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 02:36 PM UTC
At least the Shermans are still quite basic... Oops that's out of the bag now... Hands off Mr Dragon man:-)
I can see the rivet review board now: "Here is a pic of my nearly completed drive sprocket."
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Posted: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 05:15 PM UTC
Sounds like a Twing factor with the tweezers.
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