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how to make rubble....
dexter059
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Posted: Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 02:25 AM UTC
Always wanted to do an urban dio, and the only thing that has stopped me is the rubble, because I think for a destroyed building, needs to have lots of rubble all around, even over vehicles......any tips of how to do it will be most welcome....

cheers


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Posted: Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 02:41 AM UTC
Hallo Klaus!
One method wich can be used is to take plaster (or something similiar) and put it in a thin layer between to papers. Just press it between a large book and the floor for example and then let it dry. When itīs dry you take away the plasterboard from the papers and then the funny part starts; smash it! :-) In no time you have lots of rubble wich loks like it comes from a building because some of the sides are flat.

And then you can mix this together with gravel, pieces of wood and bricks. Just pour it in piles where the house have been or around the ruins. Some broken furniture amongst all the rubble looks nicely chaotic!
Hope it helps!
Cheers Andreas
dexter059
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Posted: Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 02:55 AM UTC
Thanks Andreas, but I what itīs plaster? I donīt know the translation to that word, if youīre nice to explain it, willbe most helpful

Cheers
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Posted: Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 03:02 AM UTC
Hey,
I am also currently working on a dio with rubble etc.

http://dioramas.armorama.com/forums/67141&page=1

It is a WIP mind you.Have to update it.My wife buys alot of fresh herbs,they are mostly sealed small shallow plastic dishes.
The dishes are great,different sized square and rectangular impressions.I just poured a mix of plaster inside the dish,let it dry,and came out with pieces to break up or 'chalk' over the dio.Instant rubble.Good luck!
Cheers Shay
:-)
dexter059
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Posted: Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 03:17 AM UTC
Thanks Shay
insolitus
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Posted: Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 03:24 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Thanks Andreas, but I what itīs plaster? I donīt know the translation to that word, if youīre nice to explain it, willbe most helpful

Cheers



Letīs see... I guess you speek German because of your signature and name so letīs see what my dictionary says: Haha...how stupid of me not thinking of that, it was the same word as in Swedish, namely Gips!

I donīt use plaster for it, instead I use something more rough textured. Canīt remember any English name for it but itīs some kind of putty to have on walls. (Is that correct English?) You can always try to put some sand in the plaster if you find it too smooth.
Cheers Andreas
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Posted: Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 03:33 AM UTC
Hey
Gips {m} - plaster
Pflaster - plaster
Cheers,Shay

insolitus
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Posted: Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 03:44 AM UTC
Pflaster = Plaster

LOL!! Didnīt think of that, but if you translate it that way it gets funnier!
dexter059
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Posted: Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 03:48 AM UTC
Oh Ok I got it, thanks!

BTW, I have german/austrian background (2nd generation chilean), but my level of german in fact is worse than my english (accounted, 94% english, 55% geman ) but I got it, now I now what to do :-) :-) :-)

Thanks guys
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Posted: Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 04:06 AM UTC
Ola

Once by accident I discovered a quick way to make rubble. You just need to take some dental plaster (plaster which is normally harder than normal plaster) and don't wait until it dries. Instead heat your oven to around 120-150 degrees celcius and put your plaster in it until it's dry. After taking it out it should break easily even in your fingers. Here's how it looks like:



This was a master piece for a mold I was making, but after the mold settled this is what was left when I tried to take the master piece out of the mold:)

Hope it helps,
dsc.
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Posted: Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 04:35 AM UTC
Klaus,
Plaster es aqui en Espaņa se llama escayola , quizá en Chile tengais otro nombre también ,lo que se utiliza para cubrir las paredes interiores de las casas y con lo que fabrican los santos de las iglesias es un polvillo blanco que se mezcla con agua

sorry guys I explaned Klaus in Spanish what is plaster
cheers
dexter059
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Posted: Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 04:46 AM UTC

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Klaus,
Plaster es aqui en Espaņa se llama escayola , quizá en Chile tengais otro nombre también ,lo que se utiliza para cubrir las paredes interiores de las casas y con lo que fabrican los santos de las iglesias es un polvillo blanco que se mezcla con agua



AHA , gracias Blockhaus, la escayola aqui se llama yeso (igual al que te ponen cuando te fracturas, tambien para los interiores de paredes mezclado con agua). Entonces tambien podria usarse pasta de muro, que es yeso ya preparado, para el mismo uso.....muchas gracias Blockhaus

PS: Sorry guys, but I have to answer Blockhaus in spanish, too....now I confirmed my suspicions hehe...

cheers
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 05:13 AM UTC
I add some color dye to the water when mixing plaster so that it dries in the appropriate color. That way there is less need to paint the plaster.
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Posted: Monday, January 16, 2006 - 04:27 AM UTC
I did a review on Rubble Molds that Kancali makes. Take a look.

Patrick
dexter059
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Posted: Monday, January 16, 2006 - 04:39 AM UTC
Thanks for the link Patrick
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Posted: Monday, January 16, 2006 - 10:30 AM UTC
Klaus, apart from the great ideas mentioned by everyone in case you're trying to simulate stonework you can add a bit of fine sand to your plaster. As Alan (ShermiesRule) mentioned adding color to the plaster mix (I use cheap watercolor ) will really cut down your need to use expensive paint afterwards.

The sand you add will give your plaster rough edges which went highlighted later on will give a nice stone effect.
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