I'm building a Wirblewind! Anybody else ever build the Acadamy 1/35 Wirblewind? The funny thing is theres a big opening up under the fenders between the chassis and top of the tank? Weird.
BH
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jonnysocko
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 06:15 AM UTC
generalzod
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 06:25 AM UTC
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I'm building a Wirblewind! Anybody else ever build the Acadamy 1/35 Wirblewind? The funny thing is theres a big opening up under the fenders between the chassis and top of the tank? Weird.
BH
That my friend is because it's an ex-Tamiya kit I bet it even has holes in the lower hull for the old motorization
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 06:39 AM UTC
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Quoted TextI'm building a Wirblewind! Anybody else ever build the Acadamy 1/35 Wirblewind? The funny thing is theres a big opening up under the fenders between the chassis and top of the tank? Weird.
BH
That my friend is because it's an ex-Tamiya kit I bet it even has holes in the lower hull for the old motorization
Yep and two places for batteries, it even shows + - for polarity.
jonnysocko
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 08:35 PM UTC
Heres some pics of what we're talking about in case others that haven't seen or know about this kit can veiw these problems. Plus after the turret is on it is still possible to see these things through the turret i.e. ( batterry area etc.. So some type of work and maybe scratch building some interior down in the hual will be nessasary in order to create realism. Now is there any aftermarket kits for this problem guys?
Henk
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 08:46 PM UTC
I recallseeing a picture of a Wirbelwind hull sans turret, and the hole was closed up. The wirbelwind turret sits on top of the hull, and doesn't have a turret basket so you can just cover the turret bottom ( round piece of platicard) from below. Job done..
Cheers
Henk
Cheers
Henk
jonnysocko
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 09:01 PM UTC
Thanks Henk.
BTW- I was checking out your gallery and the dio of the dead pilot is great. Where did you get the skeleton?
BH
BTW- I was checking out your gallery and the dio of the dead pilot is great. Where did you get the skeleton?
BH
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 09:03 PM UTC
Improvement kits for the Wirbelwind are probably these:
aftermarket tracks
aluminum barrels (Schatton is best)
Eduard PE for Flak Vierling (don't know how much would be used though)
replacement tools from Tamiya Pz IV tool set
PE clasps for tools
As you can probably tell, the Acad Wirbelwind is kinda old (late 1970s vintage).
As for the open sponsons, the aftermarket kit i can recommend to you is....
Evergreen sheet styrene, a metal rule and a sharp knife. Plain ol modelling to fix that one...
HTH
RC
aftermarket tracks
aluminum barrels (Schatton is best)
Eduard PE for Flak Vierling (don't know how much would be used though)
replacement tools from Tamiya Pz IV tool set
PE clasps for tools
As you can probably tell, the Acad Wirbelwind is kinda old (late 1970s vintage).
As for the open sponsons, the aftermarket kit i can recommend to you is....
Evergreen sheet styrene, a metal rule and a sharp knife. Plain ol modelling to fix that one...
HTH
RC
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 09:05 PM UTC
Henk
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 01:11 AM UTC
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Brian, that dio is not mine (I wish...) but one I photographed at Telford last November...the detail is absolutely stunning, and must be seen for real to be fully appreciated.
BTW, I would tone down that weld seam on the front glacis a bit, it looks to 'big' to me.
I'll try to upload a few pic's of my Wirbelwind tommorow.
Cheers
Henk
Brian, that dio is not mine (I wish...) but one I photographed at Telford last November...the detail is absolutely stunning, and must be seen for real to be fully appreciated.
BTW, I would tone down that weld seam on the front glacis a bit, it looks to 'big' to me.
I'll try to upload a few pic's of my Wirbelwind tommorow.
Cheers
Henk
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 02:01 AM UTC
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Brian, that dio is not mine (I wish...) but one I photographed at Telford last November...the detail is absolutely stunning, and must be seen for real to be fully appreciated.
BTW, I would tone down that weld seam on the front glacis a bit, it looks to 'big' to me.
I'll try to upload a few pic's of my Wirbelwind tommorow.
Cheers
Henk
Yea that dio is something else.
I think your right on the weld. Thanks
BH
generalzod
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 08:47 PM UTC
Brian
A cheap set of AM tracks is available from Academy They have a set of late 40cm indy links that have the solid guide horns They also come with new sprockets and idlers Go for $10 or so
A cheap set of AM tracks is available from Academy They have a set of late 40cm indy links that have the solid guide horns They also come with new sprockets and idlers Go for $10 or so
jonnysocko
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2006 - 03:03 AM UTC
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Brian
A cheap set of AM tracks is available from Academy They have a set of late 40cm indy links that have the solid guide horns They also come with new sprockets and idlers Go for $10 or so
Oh yea. That's is reasonable, sounds tempting.
BH
blaster76
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2006 - 03:24 AM UTC
Just cut out some thin to medium thichness pieces of sheet styrene (usually made by evergreen) to cover the inside of the enders. maybe some putty to plug the uderneath openings if they still are visable.
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2006 - 06:43 PM UTC
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I recallseeing a picture of a Wirbelwind hull sans turret, and the hole was closed up. The wirbelwind turret sits on top of the hull, and doesn't have a turret basket so you can just cover the turret bottom ( round piece of platicard) from below.
Henk,
I'm afraid that's not gonna do it. :-)
The Wirblewind turret sat into the hull slightly and not only wasn't there a turret basket, there wasn't a floor tot he turret either! The loaders feet dangle down into the empty space below the turret. From above you can easily see into the entire interior of the hull which, althuogh moslty empty, does have a lot of small detail and ammo laying about in racks.
One thing about the Tamiya turret. I believe it is a regular octagon on the old kit (don't remember for sure, so it might be OK) but the Wirblewind's turret is definitely an elongated shape with the gunner sitting relatively tightly enclosed by the side and rear plates.
The "Nuts and Bolts" book on the wirblewind is really good and has great photos of some remaining vehicles, both inside and out. I took a couple of the interior photos of the Wirblewind sitting outdoors at Camp Bordon, Ontario. You used to be able to climb under the tank and get up into the assistant driver's seat through the escape hatch! Very tight in there, let me tell you. Sitting in the seat, there is a lot of open empty space to model if you do a proper Wirblewind. All of it pretty visible from the outside, as well.
Paul
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2006 - 09:09 PM UTC
the tamiya turret (at least in their latest release of the kit) is 9 sided and features the elongated back part you mentioned, and looks very close to accurate in shape to me.
the new edition of this kit from tamiya alos features a completely updated hull with loads more accurate detail and no motorization holes - though the tracks are still visible!!! but a couple bits of plastic card above the tracks solves this problem eaily enough. unfortunately they do not give any hull interior either, some of which would certainly have been visible though the open florred turret.
they also di not correct the gun mounting. the quad 20mm, in reality, was mounted to a base inside the main hull, not the turret ring as depicted in the kit.
I have scratched out a new gun mount and partial interior in my wirbelwind model, and also spent a lot of time updating the old tamiya quad 20mm, as they did not update this part of the kit unfortunately. Also, the kit ammo racks in the turret are almost a complete fiction except for their approximate placement.
BTW, anyone ever hear of a good new release for the 20mm quad?
the new edition of this kit from tamiya alos features a completely updated hull with loads more accurate detail and no motorization holes - though the tracks are still visible!!! but a couple bits of plastic card above the tracks solves this problem eaily enough. unfortunately they do not give any hull interior either, some of which would certainly have been visible though the open florred turret.
they also di not correct the gun mounting. the quad 20mm, in reality, was mounted to a base inside the main hull, not the turret ring as depicted in the kit.
I have scratched out a new gun mount and partial interior in my wirbelwind model, and also spent a lot of time updating the old tamiya quad 20mm, as they did not update this part of the kit unfortunately. Also, the kit ammo racks in the turret are almost a complete fiction except for their approximate placement.
BTW, anyone ever hear of a good new release for the 20mm quad?
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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 02:30 AM UTC
It's a long time since I made this kit, but as I recall if you use the supplied Tamiya crewman, there isn't much space anywhere in the turret, so you won't be able to see much of what isn't there in the hull! Maybe thats why Tamiya/Academy didn't bother! You will still need to put something over the holes in the sponsons however. I remember a Francois Verlinden diorama of a Wirbelwind in Military modelling many years ago, in which he used exactly the same colour scheme as in that pictured by Henk, white over a Dunkelgelb base with a lot of dark wash.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 02:44 AM UTC
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Henk,
I'm afraid that's not gonna do it.
The Wirblewind turret sat into the hull slightly and not only wasn't there a turret basket, there wasn't a floor tot he turret either! The loaders feet dangle down into the empty space below the turret. From above you can easily see into the entire interior of the hull which, althuogh moslty empty, does have a lot of small detail and ammo laying about in racks.
Fair enough Paul, I wasn't sure about that at any rate. Mind you, I didn't mean the turret to be sitting literaly on top of the hull, I think they used the existing turret race so the turret would have of course been sitting slightly inside the hull. Just without a turret basket..
. But thanks for the correction. I don't know how I used to build models before I got on the net, my references were limited to the kit instructions and two very basic books... 
:-) . Cheers
Henk
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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 02:46 AM UTC
Great info! Thanks guys.
BH
BH
Henk
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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 05:54 PM UTC
As promised, a picture of my attempt at the Academy Wirbelwind. A direct copy of the Tamiya version I build this long before I joint Armorama, and if I where to do one again, it will be rather better... .
Points to note are 'Crazy Zimmerit', as in Crazy Paving...
A total lack of attempt to fill the various holes in the hull, most notably the ones in the hull sides...
Possibly my first attempt at a 'wash'... I read about the technique in a magazine, and unhindered by either knowledge or skill proceeded to apply a coat of 'dirty thinner'.... well, that's what they called it in the magazine.. They mentioned things like 'Burnt Umber' and Lamp Black', but as I did not posses either of those I used my old brush cleaning thinner.. It gave it that beautiful 'dusty' appearance.. . This model now proudly resides in my display cabinet, although in a corner, as a reminder of what was.. mind you, I was (stil am) quite happy with the way the camo came out.. First time I used an Airbrush, and one of those £12.99 external mixers.. .
Cheers
Henk
.Points to note are 'Crazy Zimmerit', as in Crazy Paving...
A total lack of attempt to fill the various holes in the hull, most notably the ones in the hull sides...
Possibly my first attempt at a 'wash'...
I read about the technique in a magazine, and unhindered by either knowledge or skill proceeded to apply a coat of 'dirty thinner'.... well, that's what they called it in the magazine.. They mentioned things like 'Burnt Umber' and Lamp Black', but as I did not posses either of those I used my old brush cleaning thinner.. It gave it that beautiful 'dusty' appearance.. . This model now proudly resides in my display cabinet, although in a corner, as a reminder of what was.. mind you, I was (stil am) quite happy with the way the camo came out.. First time I used an Airbrush, and one of those £12.99 external mixers.. .Cheers
Henk
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Posted: Friday, February 17, 2006 - 11:59 PM UTC
Thanks Henk. My main concern right now, is to get the color right? Your color is what Iv'e seen and is similar on the box and instruction. I've also seen what looks like solid yellowish color???
BH
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