I think I start a what's your top 5 least favourite AFV in respons to the top 5 favourite one, mine is:
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SS-74
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 03:40 AM UTC
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 03:46 AM UTC
Any one that was firing at me!
SS-74
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 03:52 AM UTC
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Any one that was firing at me!
Good one, Bob!
Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 03:55 AM UTC
anyone who does this to your car
#:-) #:-)
#:-) #:-)
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 03:56 AM UTC
Easy, the WW2 German stuff. The interlapping road wheels of the Panther and Tiger as well as the multitude of small PzKfw IV road wheels give me headaches. For modern AFVs, it would have to be the pathetic BMP series.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 04:15 AM UTC
Very simply put ...........ANY RUSSIAN AFV !
"No offense to the Russian people - I like them "
- ralph
"No offense to the Russian people - I like them "
- ralph
Folgore
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 05:07 AM UTC
Like what Sabot said, anything with a bunch of rubber roadwheels. If they're metal it's not so bad. As for aesthetic value, I must admit I don't really like the heavy Russian tanks like the Joseph Stalins and later the T-55, etc.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 05:14 AM UTC
I beg to differ The M88 is not a Armored Fighting Vehicle....... It only has a .50 cal for self Defense... I dont mean to offend anyone........
Just my .02 cents...................
Matt
Just my .02 cents...................
Matt
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 05:29 AM UTC
SINCE I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING BURNED TO DEATH, AS I'M SURE THE CREWS DIDN'T EITHER HERE THEY ARE IN ORDER OF 'BURSTING INTO FLAMES-NESS'
In with a bullet at number one it's the good old 'Tommy Cooker'/'Ronson' that is the Sherman. A firelighter on tracks with special cooking-off storage of the ammo feature plus a terrible, and tall balistic profile with a massive shot trap on the front. A lesson in how not to design a tank.
At two, it's the BMP-1, another great Russian idea which, sadly, ended up being a barbecue on wheels but it does look pretty cool.
At three, a triumph of crap British design and overheating components, it's the Scimitar/Scorpion family, with its special, motion-sickness suspension and overstressed engine. It's a disaster on tracks, unless its crap ground clearance makes it a disaster on its underbelly.
At four, it's the Challenger, with it's special go four hundred yards and then pack up with clogged filters feature, it's Saddams new best friend.
Scraping in at five (on the bottom of the ocean) its any of the Dual-drive tanks that sank on the way into the beaches during Overlord, for fairly obvious reasons.
In with a bullet at number one it's the good old 'Tommy Cooker'/'Ronson' that is the Sherman. A firelighter on tracks with special cooking-off storage of the ammo feature plus a terrible, and tall balistic profile with a massive shot trap on the front. A lesson in how not to design a tank.
At two, it's the BMP-1, another great Russian idea which, sadly, ended up being a barbecue on wheels but it does look pretty cool.
At three, a triumph of crap British design and overheating components, it's the Scimitar/Scorpion family, with its special, motion-sickness suspension and overstressed engine. It's a disaster on tracks, unless its crap ground clearance makes it a disaster on its underbelly.
At four, it's the Challenger, with it's special go four hundred yards and then pack up with clogged filters feature, it's Saddams new best friend.
Scraping in at five (on the bottom of the ocean) its any of the Dual-drive tanks that sank on the way into the beaches during Overlord, for fairly obvious reasons.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 05:50 AM UTC
I am not a big fan of the russian philosophy about tanks, so anything Russian would be my first pick, especially the T-72 with auto-loader, which, as I hear, is prone to removing crewmember's arms.
Second, Sherman's just tend to be overdone for my tastes, but I have seen some good ones. They're just not for me.
The ultra small WWI tanks like the FT-17, do not help my claustrophobia.
I grew up in the era of the M-1, so I kept hearing about how great an improvement it was over the M-60, and I just get a bad taste in my mouth when I hear about M-60s now. To be diplomatic, it was probably not as bad as I hear.
The earlier Leopard IIs looked like slab sided behemoths, they just looked like an easy kill. I will add that the newest variant is a great improvement in both looks and prabably in surviveability, too.
My cent and a hlaf.
Rob
Second, Sherman's just tend to be overdone for my tastes, but I have seen some good ones. They're just not for me.
The ultra small WWI tanks like the FT-17, do not help my claustrophobia.
I grew up in the era of the M-1, so I kept hearing about how great an improvement it was over the M-60, and I just get a bad taste in my mouth when I hear about M-60s now. To be diplomatic, it was probably not as bad as I hear.
The earlier Leopard IIs looked like slab sided behemoths, they just looked like an easy kill. I will add that the newest variant is a great improvement in both looks and prabably in surviveability, too.
My cent and a hlaf.
Rob
Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:12 AM UTC
anything American, WWll or otherwise
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:43 AM UTC
I would have to agree with bob otherwise every tank is unique in its own way
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:48 AM UTC
Well, any AFV's that Dave (SS-74) likes, I hate
no, just joking but sticking to my theme in the chat room, my least favorite is Modern AFV's, so that covers at least five,
sorry.
And also Dave, Sherman's rule so you had better watch yourself
Until my next rant,
Andrew
no, just joking but sticking to my theme in the chat room, my least favorite is Modern AFV's, so that covers at least five,
sorry.
And also Dave, Sherman's rule so you had better watch yourself
Until my next rant,
Andrew
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 08:28 AM UTC
Lots of stuff just does nothing for me.
Early WWII German Pz I, II the 38T series.. just odd looking little things.
Between the wars armour and early war Russian stuff, likewise eeennnhhh...
the M48-M60 era of US armor.. M113's excepted the rest of that stuff just looks goofy to my eye.
WWII French armor blech
WWII early British or Italian
Japanese armor up until the 90's
I like my armor modern and sleek looking ( including WWII German Panthers..) anything boxy, riveted, or clunky looking is not going to make the cut.
I can live without Shermans too.. I know they are historically important, and played a vital role yadda yadda.. but they just don't do it for me. Sorry.
My US$0.02 before taxes.
Mike
Early WWII German Pz I, II the 38T series.. just odd looking little things.
Between the wars armour and early war Russian stuff, likewise eeennnhhh...
the M48-M60 era of US armor.. M113's excepted the rest of that stuff just looks goofy to my eye.
WWII French armor blech
WWII early British or Italian
Japanese armor up until the 90's
I like my armor modern and sleek looking ( including WWII German Panthers..) anything boxy, riveted, or clunky looking is not going to make the cut.
I can live without Shermans too.. I know they are historically important, and played a vital role yadda yadda.. but they just don't do it for me. Sorry.
My US$0.02 before taxes.
Mike
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 08:29 AM UTC
I have to agree with Andrew anything modern #:-)
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:20 AM UTC
Quoted Text
And also Dave, Sherman's rule so you had better watch yourself
Until my next rant,
Andrew
Shermans are the pimpest little tanks. Much agree with you on that one andrew
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:28 AM UTC
... any AFV older than me.
What did that cute little M88 do you wrong, Matt ? It's so damn ugly it comes near perfaction ! I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE the M88 !
What did that cute little M88 do you wrong, Matt ? It's so damn ugly it comes near perfaction ! I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE the M88 !
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:23 AM UTC
Panzer IV's I hate them. I build models for my buddy and that is all he gives me. That and all those high siloette, bulky ugly things.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:49 AM UTC
I will stick to actual models, although I have a HUGE list of rea life armor I disklike.
None of these are in any particular order, but here it goes
Academy's Medic Humvee(good model, just didn't get that interested in it. Took about a year to finally build, and even now it's not complete)
Academy's Tiger I Early, no interior. Same reason as above. Both are good models, just didn't get that interested.
Anything by Seminar. Because they are copies of copies.
Trumpeter's T72B with ERA. Inaccurate, doesn't go together well. Only saving grace was it was cheap.
Any Italeri Humvee kit(except the Stinger Humvee, haven't played with that one yet). Just was spoiled by cheaper Academy kits that I stocked up on while in Korea(picture a Hummer for less than $5!).
Haven't ventured to much out there, so, not all that picky just yet. And my disklike may not be because a kit is bad, for the most part, just may be because I wasn't as interested as I could have been.
None of these are in any particular order, but here it goes
Academy's Medic Humvee(good model, just didn't get that interested in it. Took about a year to finally build, and even now it's not complete)
Academy's Tiger I Early, no interior. Same reason as above. Both are good models, just didn't get that interested.
Anything by Seminar. Because they are copies of copies.
Trumpeter's T72B with ERA. Inaccurate, doesn't go together well. Only saving grace was it was cheap.
Any Italeri Humvee kit(except the Stinger Humvee, haven't played with that one yet). Just was spoiled by cheaper Academy kits that I stocked up on while in Korea(picture a Hummer for less than $5!).
Haven't ventured to much out there, so, not all that picky just yet. And my disklike may not be because a kit is bad, for the most part, just may be because I wasn't as interested as I could have been.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 01:04 PM UTC
Anything modern beyond about 1960.....they all look the same to me. Besides the M88 "short bus".....gotta love the big box on tracks design.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 01:23 PM UTC
I second that Grifter. Modern tanks look so very much alike. I prefer the ugly and the unusual like the Mark IVs and their monster brethren, prime movers, recovery vehicles, softskins and such. Basically anything that is armored, turreted, rear-engined, and front sprocketed created or designed after 1940 will be shunned. I might still get a Tiger or an Abrams down the road. Who knows the experience might convert me
Ignore Davidus ArwenIsMineus. He's got something against the M88 that we don't understand. Maybe because it can drag a Tiger around by its tail
Ignore Davidus ArwenIsMineus. He's got something against the M88 that we don't understand. Maybe because it can drag a Tiger around by its tail
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 05:55 PM UTC
Well this one I had to think a little bit. My first offensive vehicle are all those two men tankettes from the 30's and early WW2 - Why bother.
Then we go to the other extreme with the efforts to make forts that couldn't get out of ther own way - Maus' E-100 , Tortoise etc.
Then we have the post ww2 beasts in the same category: M103, Conqueror
M1A1 knockoffs - Korean k1, the brazilian Oserio, the French Leclerc, the Italian Ariete, the Japanese type 90 the list is endless they all look a like. If you painted all of them same dark color, took off all the markings, parked them under a weak street lite then proceeded to "Tie one on" and then tried to find yours ; it would be like coming home to the same housing development where all the houses are built and painted the same - you wouldn't find your front door! Thats my five categories. Butch Cassidy Tanks46.
[quote]Those that have not realized danger are normally the most bravest of soldiers.[quote]
Der Sonntag Bund
Then we go to the other extreme with the efforts to make forts that couldn't get out of ther own way - Maus' E-100 , Tortoise etc.
Then we have the post ww2 beasts in the same category: M103, Conqueror
M1A1 knockoffs - Korean k1, the brazilian Oserio, the French Leclerc, the Italian Ariete, the Japanese type 90 the list is endless they all look a like. If you painted all of them same dark color, took off all the markings, parked them under a weak street lite then proceeded to "Tie one on" and then tried to find yours ; it would be like coming home to the same housing development where all the houses are built and painted the same - you wouldn't find your front door! Thats my five categories. Butch Cassidy Tanks46.
[quote]Those that have not realized danger are normally the most bravest of soldiers.[quote]
Der Sonntag Bund
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:01 PM UTC
Any thing with full tracks so this must make up to at least 500. Oh you ment 5 only!
Cliff
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:12 PM UTC
I have not so much to do with all the modern armor. So probably all my 5 least favourite tanks will be found here
today everything is laserguided and computercontrolled
ahhh just give me the old days when tanking was really hard working.
sitting in a very noisy, smokey tank that gives you claustrofobia just by looking at it
yeah that were times man. Where your first shot had to be a hit and if you were lucky you got a small second chance. yep that were the real tank ages (for me)
today everything is laserguided and computercontrolled
ahhh just give me the old days when tanking was really hard working.
sitting in a very noisy, smokey tank that gives you claustrofobia just by looking at it
yeah that were times man. Where your first shot had to be a hit and if you were lucky you got a small second chance. yep that were the real tank ages (for me)
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Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 11:26 PM UTC
there is no tank or afv that i dont like.
but every tank/afv has is +'s and -'s.
the tank i love is also a good lighter, sherman.
so be it.
i you are a tankcrew member you love you vehicle but if you get a flat tire or track you hate it.
greets ShermanSam
but every tank/afv has is +'s and -'s.
the tank i love is also a good lighter, sherman.
so be it.
i you are a tankcrew member you love you vehicle but if you get a flat tire or track you hate it.
greets ShermanSam