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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Waffle pattern Zimmerit
Stormin
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Posted: Saturday, February 18, 2006 - 10:59 PM UTC
Hi all,
I have Dragons Panther Normandy ,it's shown with waffle pattern zim, how can I replicate this? Can it be easily done with putty, I have Tamiya's zim scraper tool but not sure if it would work as it's more for the vertical line type, or I've seen somewhere it done by using glue to melt the area of tank and then scoring the plastic? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Kenny.
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Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 12:01 AM UTC
There was some company that came out with little stamping tools that have the waffle pattern if you want to do it yourself. Cavalier zimmerit I am positive has a set of their paper thin glue on resin stuff that you can pick up as well. The tamiya scapping tool works real well for the Tiger / King Tiger style pattern. I went over to Cavalier a yar or so ago and won't do anything else. t was so easy and looked so good when it aws done.
jpzr
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Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 12:09 AM UTC
MIG Products makes a set of stamps for waffle pattern zimmerit.
screamingeagle
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Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 01:46 AM UTC
Hi Kenny in regards and as an option to both Steve's good advice, Shep Paine was a believer in scratchbuilding a tool as oppossed to spending money to buy one alongs as it was simple enough.

He show's an illustrated example in one of his books of his waffle pattern stamper. He uses .040" square piece of styrene ( he doesn't go in to detail, but I'm sure it's cut from square styrene rod ). He then add's row's/columns of small .020 thick styrene squares to the face/surface of the .040 piece.
He uses this stamper on expoxy putty. Oh, by the way he also attaches a handle to the stamp.

Of the 11 types of waffle patterns that were used, the pattern of the stamp used above was used on both Panther types A & G.

I just thought to give you this info as an added option which might interest you.

- ralph
Stormin
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Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 02:44 AM UTC
many thanks guys, I now have some ideas and places to look, I don't know of any suppliers of Cavalier Zim but will look into it. Screaming Eagle I think I have that book but have not unpacked all my stuff yet as i've not long moved to my new place. I knew I had seen something someplace but just couldn't recall.
Once again many thanks to you all.
Kenny.
pod123
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Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 03:32 AM UTC
hi storming i,m currently doing a late tiger i use fine milliputt for my zimmmerit coating i mix it by hand in the useuall way then i roll it out to the required thickness using a wall paper seem roller same as you would pastry with a rolloing pin then apply to model and trim edges with acto blade i then apply the pattern useing a flat screwdriver blade obviously this is no good to you but perhaps the tip will be
jlmurc
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Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 05:35 AM UTC
Kenny you cound try asking Lou Stener at the link below, he retails Atak resin Zimmerit, he may be able to advise you as the pics are a little small to view. There are a couple of Dragon Panthers listed.
Lou is a modeller himself, is reliable and friendly and very helpful.

Hope this helps anyway,

John

http://www.armour-models.co.uk/model_kit_atak.html
ericadeane
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Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 06:58 AM UTC
Kenny:
In your request for info about Waffle zimmerit, know that "waffle" pattern is what was applied to a certain zimmerit pattern on StuG IIIs. The pattern you seem to be citing has these features right?

vertical pattern ridges, with a checkered scoring along with some diagonal scoring.

This was a commonly seen pattern on Panthers. This is generally called the "tile" pattern.
hellbent11
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 12:04 PM UTC
For my waffle pattern that I did on a stug I took a piece of basswood and cut the pattern in using a razor saw. It worked really well with standard modelling putty as long as I would keep the wood moist. For the tile pattern I've used a piece of hollow square brass stock and sanded the edges to get a sharper profile. It also worked out well. These worked well for me without spending money on tools!
propboy44256
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 05:31 PM UTC
use a flat blade, (like the back of a exacto blade), lay down a thin layer of putty, and press blade in and create columns working from bottom to top..There is a good link on this site out there somewhere. I asked the same question sometime ago.
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