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Armor/AFV: IDF [Israeli Defense Forces]
Armor and AFVs of the IDF army from 1947-today.
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IDF M51 Sherman finally done
marevic1
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Victoria, Australia
Joined: April 30, 2004
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Posted: Friday, March 17, 2006 - 09:16 AM UTC
Hi all,

Firstly, I'd like to say thanks to all who supplied the valuable info and comments that enabled me to finish this beast. I have taken abit of artistic liecence with this kit, so please keep that in mind.

Well, here it is:

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thanks for looking.
Jurgen.
blackeast19
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Singapore / 新加坡
Joined: February 22, 2005
KitMaker: 394 posts
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Posted: Friday, March 17, 2006 - 09:31 AM UTC
Hi Jurgen,

Loved your work here, esp the texture of the body. and it goes well with the dio.

Thanks for sharing!

Cheers!
umustb
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Singapore / 新加坡
Joined: April 27, 2005
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Posted: Friday, March 17, 2006 - 04:26 PM UTC
The groundwork /base is eye catching... you might want to dust the tracks a little... other than that, good work!
liberator
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Luzon, Philippines
Joined: May 15, 2004
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Posted: Friday, March 17, 2006 - 05:41 PM UTC
very nice..the weathering and the base too. the tracks are beautiful..looks like steel to me. probably the red water jug has a story to tell. good work and thanks for sharing.
EL_Martino
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Baden-Württemberg, Germany
Joined: February 27, 2006
KitMaker: 73 posts
Armorama: 63 posts
Posted: Friday, March 17, 2006 - 10:00 PM UTC
beautiful Model !!!

i love this Dio-base and the way you did the M-51 on it.

awesome !
18Bravo
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Colorado, United States
Joined: January 20, 2005
KitMaker: 7,219 posts
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Posted: Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 12:03 AM UTC
I'm always partial to IDF subjects, but this one is really nice. I'd only change two things:
If the jerry cans are black,and meant to be portrayed that dusty, everything else around them would be too. Usually in photographs they're blacker. The other thing is the tie down ropes. They're almost big enough around to fast rope on.
Overall though, a very good build.
Eisen
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Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: November 13, 2005
KitMaker: 134 posts
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Posted: Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 02:21 AM UTC
Hi Jurgen! Beautiful subject and a wonderful job all the way around. Something to be proud of. Is that the Dragon M51 ISherman kit?
CDNTanker25
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New York, United States
Joined: July 12, 2005
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Posted: Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 09:31 AM UTC
looks great Jurgen, I do agree with the rope, it's not something said to be critical, but it's more of an eye catcher that draws away from, rahter than enhances the the tank itself. Maybe some thinner stuff will draw people's eyes back to the tank! Well done...
jazza
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Singapore / 新加坡
Joined: August 03, 2005
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Posted: Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 09:48 AM UTC
I do agree about the base being really eye catching and to blend the kit in by weathering the tracks a little more to make it more believable that its actually going over the base...especially the side of the tracks and the respective wheel and drive sprocket.

Very nicely done kit overall.
HONEYCUT
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Victoria, Australia
Joined: May 07, 2003
KitMaker: 4,002 posts
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Posted: Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 10:47 AM UTC
Gday Victoria!
Love this subject! I'm focused on WWII Shermans, so to see what the Israelis did to theirs is interesting indeed! The base is so simple but very effective...
Was the M4A1 (sorry!) counter-weighted to handle that gun?!
Cheers
Brad
ahueger
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Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
Joined: December 01, 2001
KitMaker: 217 posts
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Posted: Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 11:43 AM UTC
Hi Brad,
yep, the bustle was completely redone to act as a counterweight to the 105mm. The IDF Shermans are a nice subject for themselves. If you ever run outta ideas for WWII Shemans (???) give the IDF a try
Andreas
CDNTanker25
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New York, United States
Joined: July 12, 2005
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Posted: Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 08:22 PM UTC
the bustle was filled with concrete initially but then there were a million other modifications done druing the time they used them up until the 1990's

docdios
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England - West Midlands, United Kingdom
Joined: December 01, 2001
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Posted: Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 08:03 AM UTC
very nice, my all time favourite Sherman

well built and displayed

cheers

keith
Greg
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Oregon, United States
Joined: April 12, 2002
KitMaker: 455 posts
Armorama: 298 posts
Posted: Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 08:34 AM UTC
Looks very nice Jurgen. Just a few comments:
1. On that steep a slope, that Cummins diesel should really be belching out the black smoke!
2. The base looks great, but I see a little too much daylight beneath the tracks in a couple of places. Doesn't quite convey the impression of forty tons of weight, which is about what a combat-stowed M51 should mass.
3. The stowage is well done and well placed, and it looks like it has something attaching it all to the tank. Good job. I might do a bit less of it; there were only five crewmen inside and the time in the field was typically short. IDF tankers don't seem to acquire quite as much extra kit as US tankers in WW2, for example.

Minor nitpicks, and understand they reflect my personal tastes and not major errors. A most splendid effort overall, I assure you.
05Sultan
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California, United States
Joined: December 19, 2004
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Posted: Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 10:58 AM UTC
Very,very nice,Jurgen. Excellant presentation by the base.Maybe a little too much track-ground gap in spots but I wouldn't sweat it. Can't have too much dust on IDF running gear either. Not sure about red paint on tow points. One claim was it was for training only. Another claim was it was done to make them more findable in low-vis sandstorms and such. More knowledgable people could help more on this. Still OK with me.
Cheers for a great build!
Rick
Damage_Inc
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Rhode Island, United States
Joined: July 17, 2008
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Posted: Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 11:53 AM UTC
Awesome dio. Great job!
AJLaFleche
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Joined: May 05, 2002
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Posted: Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 12:21 PM UTC
Last post before today was March 19, 2006 an almost 3 year
Greg
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Oregon, United States
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Posted: Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 02:29 PM UTC
Why didn't we upgun the Sherman? No need to, postwar. Improved HVAP ammo ensured that T34s in Korea were easily knocked out by Shermies. In WW2, well...read Steve Zaloga's new book Armored Tunderbolt for an excellent analysis. The French only did the M50/M51 projects at the behest of Israel, not on their own account. And the IDF did it out of desperation, as the infant Israel was largely shut out of the international arms market in the first decade of it's existence. If you can't by modern hardware, you buy obsolete/scrap tanks and do what you can with them.
Greg
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