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Problem with Vallejo
markm
California, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 06:55 PM UTC
Has anyone ever had a problem with their decal setting solution eating the Vallejo model air?. I just decaled my Panzer IV, and when I used the solution it ate a nice patch of panzer gray away from the basecoat around the decal. This has never happened before with any other paint, acrylic or enamel.
Sticky
Vermont, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 08:16 PM UTC
I have not had this problem, but I always overcoat the paint with Future before decals - and while setting solutions sometimes turn the Future white, when left over night it always clears up.
markm
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Posted: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 08:27 PM UTC
Which is the one step I did not do. I guess a lesson learned. I had never had it happen before even without overcoating-guess I will be in the future. :-)
screamingeagle
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Posted: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 09:51 PM UTC
Hi Mark, there is also a slight chance that you may have applied the solution to quickly after painting.
Though the finished surface is dry to touch, does not mean the paint has "cured " underneath.
Even though applying a protective clear coat is a good safety precaution, the decal setting solution should not have eaten through the paint regardless of a protective layer.
As matter of fact, I don't apply protective clear coats until the very last step ( unless using pastels ) .
It is also recommended that when using water-slide decals that a "gloss coat " should be first applied to the area where the decal will be placed. Then you will need to dull coat after that has dried.
I myself prefer "dry tranfers" to avoid this surface prep.
- ralph
Though the finished surface is dry to touch, does not mean the paint has "cured " underneath.
Even though applying a protective clear coat is a good safety precaution, the decal setting solution should not have eaten through the paint regardless of a protective layer.
As matter of fact, I don't apply protective clear coats until the very last step ( unless using pastels ) .
It is also recommended that when using water-slide decals that a "gloss coat " should be first applied to the area where the decal will be placed. Then you will need to dull coat after that has dried.
I myself prefer "dry tranfers" to avoid this surface prep.
- ralph
markm
California, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 09:58 PM UTC
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Hi Mark, there is also a slight chance that you may have applied the solution to quickly after painting.
Though the finished surface is dry to touch, does not mean the paint has "cured " underneath.
Even though applying a protective clear coat is a good safety precaution, the decal setting solution should not have eaten through the paint regardless of a protective layer.
As matter of fact, I don't apply protective clear coats until the very last step ( unless using pastels ) .
It is also recommended that when using water-slide decals that a "gloss coat " should be first applied to the area where the decal will be placed. Then you will need to dull coat after that has dried.
I myself prefer "dry tranfers" to avoid this surface prep.
- ralph
Hi Ralph, normally I would agree 100% but I painted this one about 2 1/2 months ago! I have never used anything but dullcoat at the end without a problem until now. I have never had this happen with Model Master, Lifecolor or anything other than the Vallejo before. I will keep using the Vallejo as I love the way they spray and cover. I guess I need to adjust my tactics with them.
Thanks
Sticky
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Posted: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 10:00 PM UTC
Dry transferes while a boon, sometimes need setting solutions too to follow un-even surfaces. In this instance I would gloss coat as well, as all setting solutions are mild acids and can attack the finish.