_GOTOBOTTOM
Armor/AFV: Modern Armor
Modern armor in general.
Hosted by Darren Baker
Customized M88A1
Frenchy
Visit this Community
Rhone, France
Joined: December 02, 2002
KitMaker: 12,719 posts
Armorama: 12,507 posts
Posted: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 05:52 PM UTC
Interesting field modification :


Maybe the driver drives big rigs in civilian life....

Frenchy
Sabot
Joined: December 18, 2001
KitMaker: 12,596 posts
Armorama: 9,071 posts
Posted: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 06:03 PM UTC
Just a guess, but it could be a fording kit for a USMC M88A1.
Ric_Cody
Visit this Community
Georgia, United States
Joined: May 22, 2005
KitMaker: 299 posts
Armorama: 294 posts
Posted: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 06:25 PM UTC
Looks like an M88A1 that use to be in my BN in Mannheim. That team Cheif loved his M88 and he got the same exhaust pipes for his. That was back in 94 though, maybe its the same one. hard to say.

Ric
Frenchy
Visit this Community
Rhone, France
Joined: December 02, 2002
KitMaker: 12,719 posts
Armorama: 12,507 posts
Posted: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 06:37 PM UTC
The only clue I have about this picture is that it comes from a OIF photo album that belongs to a SeaBee :



More pics here :
http://jearl2.photosite.com

Frenchy
Sabot
Joined: December 18, 2001
KitMaker: 12,596 posts
Armorama: 9,071 posts
Posted: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 06:42 PM UTC
Then it is most likely a USN SeeBee M88A1 with deep water fording pipes. That would make the most sense.

Ric, what unit and when were you in Mannheim? Did my first tour there as a platoon leader, company XO and HQ company XO with 5-77 Armor.
Grumpyoldman
Staff MemberConsigliere
KITMAKER NETWORK
Visit this Community
Florida, United States
Joined: October 17, 2003
KitMaker: 15,338 posts
Armorama: 7,297 posts
Posted: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 08:43 PM UTC
You got the watch those crafty CB's like a hawk..... you just never know what they'll do next...... :-)
Cyberwombat
Visit this Community
Texas, United States
Joined: March 09, 2006
KitMaker: 262 posts
Armorama: 219 posts
Posted: Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 02:16 AM UTC
The MG cupola is different too...I don't remember quite what they looked like when I was in, but it wasn't like that. Is that a standard USMC modification, or only for OIF?
HeavyArty
Visit this Community
Florida, United States
Joined: May 16, 2002
KitMaker: 17,694 posts
Armorama: 13,742 posts
Posted: Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 02:20 AM UTC
The cupola armor is a standard M113 ACAV kit. It has been around since Vietnam and is being installed on M113s and other vehicles for OIF as well.
Sabot
Joined: December 18, 2001
KitMaker: 12,596 posts
Armorama: 9,071 posts
Posted: Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 03:19 AM UTC

Quoted Text

The MG cupola is different too...I don't remember quite what they looked like when I was in, but it wasn't like that. Is that a standard USMC modification, or only for OIF?

When I was in Germany in the late 80s-early 90s, our mortar platoon's M106A2s and some of the M88A1s had the gun shields.

The same set up first appeared in kit form with the Tamiya M113 ACAV in the late 80s.
Ric_Cody
Visit this Community
Georgia, United States
Joined: May 22, 2005
KitMaker: 299 posts
Armorama: 294 posts
Posted: Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 03:51 AM UTC
Hey Rob,
I was in Dco 5-77 AR from Jan 93-Jan 95. I was in Mannheim when we moved the Brigade to Fort Lewis. Between that time I was a loader in 1st Platoon and a driver on D-65. Then it got all funky when we got to Lewis, we broke each platoon down to 3 tanks, and made a 4th Platoon due to a large number of 2LT's that we got. That lasted about a year, then we went back to a normal 4 tank PLT.
Sabot
Joined: December 18, 2001
KitMaker: 12,596 posts
Armorama: 9,071 posts
Posted: Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 05:23 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Hey Rob,
I was in Dco 5-77 AR from Jan 93-Jan 95. I was in Mannheim when we moved the Brigade to Fort Lewis. Between that time I was a loader in 1st Platoon and a driver on D-65. Then it got all funky when we got to Lewis, we broke each platoon down to 3 tanks, and made a 4th Platoon due to a large number of 2LT's that we got. That lasted about a year, then we went back to a normal 4 tank PLT.

Caution OT content: I got to 5-77 just after they reflagged from 3-68. We had a great battalion until we got a new battalion commander in 1989. It was between the summer of 1989 to 1990 when we became one of "those" units. You know, the type you read about in Stars & Stripes and Countermeasures, and not about good stuff. Most of the stories were true too.

Like the 1LT that cut his cheating wife's boyfriend's neck with a knife; company commander (D Co. Cpt Bob Austin) who was relieved and subsequently convicted of fraud and bad check charges; the 1LT that killed himself on a motorcycle; lost PVS-5; lost .45 cal; HEMMT wreck on the road march to Graf; tank wreck in the LTA; company XO relieved by the Bde commander; and a couple more that pop to mind.
sarge18
Visit this Community
Kentucky, United States
Joined: November 09, 2002
KitMaker: 272 posts
Armorama: 267 posts
Posted: Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 07:15 PM UTC
On Topic:
You will sometimes see these mounted on M88A1's and M88A2's by Army units. The explanation while in Korea, and with the 1 M88A2 I saw with it in the 1CD is that it moves the exhaust away from blowing in your face while hooking up a towing tank.

Off Topic:
Just wish I had a cool story like that.

Jed Sargent
Ric_Cody
Visit this Community
Georgia, United States
Joined: May 22, 2005
KitMaker: 299 posts
Armorama: 294 posts
Posted: Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 07:50 PM UTC
I wish they had thought that way the countless times I had to hook a tow bar up to another tank, and that was before the exhaust deflector's were used mandatorily. Tell you about a not so fun thing to do.
Erik67
Visit this Community
Buskerud, Norway
Joined: July 31, 2005
KitMaker: 1,871 posts
Armorama: 1,423 posts
Posted: Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 08:06 PM UTC

Quoted Text

You will sometimes see these mounted on M88A1's and M88A2's by Army units. The explanation while in Korea, and with the 1 M88A2 I saw with it in the 1CD is that it moves the exhaust away from blowing in your face while hooking up a towing tank.



So, does anybody have some pictures of a M88A2 with this setup? I have a Real Model conversion set, and would love to build one with similar exhaust and the ACAV cupola.

Erik
18Bravo
Visit this Community
Colorado, United States
Joined: January 20, 2005
KitMaker: 7,219 posts
Armorama: 6,097 posts
Posted: Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 06:52 PM UTC

Quoted Text

So, does anybody have some pictures of a M88A2 with this setup? I have a Real Model conversion set, and would love to build one with similar exhaust and the ACAV cupola.

Erik



I know this is a very old thread, but if you still need a photo, let me know. Am posting here rather than sending a PM because you haven't signed on in a month. Perhaps you lurk a lot though...
mauserman
Visit this Community
Maryland, United States
Joined: September 27, 2004
KitMaker: 1,183 posts
Armorama: 628 posts
Posted: Friday, May 06, 2011 - 05:13 AM UTC
Robert, you do realize that this thread is 5 years old, right?
18Bravo
Visit this Community
Colorado, United States
Joined: January 20, 2005
KitMaker: 7,219 posts
Armorama: 6,097 posts
Posted: Friday, May 06, 2011 - 08:01 AM UTC
Hmmmm... Yeah... I may have mentioned that right at the beginning there.
Erik never received an answer to his question, and even if he's built the kit by now, he can rest assured adding the extensions will be prototypical, and still possible without any further modifications.

By the way, that's an advantage this site has over Missing-Lynx. Had I stumbled across a similar question there, after so long a time, any answer to it would remain undiscovered.
Hisham
Visit this Community
Al Qahirah, Egypt / لعربية
Joined: July 23, 2004
KitMaker: 6,856 posts
Armorama: 6,363 posts
Posted: Friday, May 06, 2011 - 10:01 AM UTC
Could someone possibly post the pics Frenchy posted links to.. I can't see them, and when I try to go to the link, I get a web-hosting site.

Thanks
Hisham
heliman
Visit this Community
New York, United States
Joined: June 14, 2010
KitMaker: 702 posts
Armorama: 604 posts
Posted: Friday, May 06, 2011 - 12:16 PM UTC
ditto....feel like I'm missing out on a great pic too!
Frenchy
Visit this Community
Rhone, France
Joined: December 02, 2002
KitMaker: 12,719 posts
Armorama: 12,507 posts
Posted: Friday, May 06, 2011 - 06:17 PM UTC

Quoted Text

I can't see them, and when I try to go to the link, I get a web-hosting site.

ditto....feel like I'm missing out on a great pic too!



It's you lucky day guys :



Some may remember this one, showing state-of-the-art add-on armor :




While looking for these pics on my HDD, I've came across another one that be interesting as well :



I haven't got any pics showing a A2 fitted with the complete ACAV cupola (only the gun shield)

HTH

Frenchy
Hisham
Visit this Community
Al Qahirah, Egypt / لعربية
Joined: July 23, 2004
KitMaker: 6,856 posts
Armorama: 6,363 posts
Posted: Friday, May 06, 2011 - 08:39 PM UTC
Thanks a lot, Frenchy

Hisham
18Bravo
Visit this Community
Colorado, United States
Joined: January 20, 2005
KitMaker: 7,219 posts
Armorama: 6,097 posts
Posted: Friday, May 06, 2011 - 09:36 PM UTC
]
zapper
Visit this Community
Skåne, Sweden
Joined: October 18, 2005
KitMaker: 745 posts
Armorama: 734 posts
Posted: Friday, May 06, 2011 - 10:40 PM UTC
Hi guys,

There are a few photos of M88's in Germany with the fording kit installed here: http://www.primeportal.net/recovery/gert/m88_photos_1.htm

The rest of the M88 albums here (including vehicles in Iraq):
http://www.primeportal.net/recovery/recovery_home.htm#m88a1

Cheers,
/E
heliman
Visit this Community
New York, United States
Joined: June 14, 2010
KitMaker: 702 posts
Armorama: 604 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 10:14 AM UTC
Thanks Frenchy!!! The exhaust looks like my neighbors Dodge truck!

CMOT
Staff MemberEditor-in-Chief
ARMORAMA
Visit this Community
England - South West, United Kingdom
Joined: May 14, 2006
KitMaker: 10,954 posts
Armorama: 8,571 posts
Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 10:35 AM UTC
I love the bedspring armour in the 2nd picture.
 _GOTOTOP