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ridge tiles and a small mold making SBS
dsc
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Posted: Friday, July 14, 2006 - 04:04 AM UTC
Ola everyone!

As some of you know I'm building a roof for my tower project and need some ridge tiles to cover the corner joints between my roof casts. The first idea that popped into my head was of course scratchbuilding them and so I started thinking how the hell am I suppose to make small 0,4-0,5mm plaster cones that could be made into ridge tiles. After around 15 minutes I've decided to use plasticine (nonhardening modeling clay) to make small moulds based on the tip of my pen, which is luckily cone shaped. So I cast 18 small tip cut cones, added texture to them and made a small dryfitted piece, which looked like this:



I've posted this in my previous topic and since no one had anything to say I've thought that it must look ok and so decided to make a silicone mould of the 18 cone shaped pieces. I had my camera nearby and also decided to take in-progess shots and post them here to help anyone who just starts at making molds. So here we go:)

1. Make sure that the object you are trying to copy is clean and protected from sticking to the silione stuff. So anything which is porous should be varnished or protected with something else, or the gooish silicone stuff will stick to it and make it harder to get out of the mold. I used 18 cone shaped dental plaster pieces and covered them with a product that seals the plaster and protects it from soaking water and stuff like that. Attach the object to a flat and nonporous base, like here:



2. The next step is to build a small box to surround the object. The box will hold the silicone until it cures. I built mine using the wonderful LEGO's. I also used plasticine to attach the box to the base and make sure that the box doesn't leak:



3. Now you need to calculate how much silicone you need. You do this by measuring the inside of the LEGO box and calulating it's capacity. You also need to calculate the volume of the object. Now you substract the object volume from the box capacity and you have your desired silicone ammount:). Take a medium sized container and pour the silicone into it. Now weigh the whole thing using an electronical scales like here:



or a normal kitchen scales.

(remember to first weigh the empty container and then substract this from the total weight of the container and the silicone)

4. The next step is to measure the ammount of hardner you need. Basically the hardner is the stuff which makes the whole mix hard:) if you add too much the mix will start to cure too fast making it impossible to pour it from the container to the box. If you add to little you will be left with you object covered in goo and completly destroyed. This step is really important so please make sure you read the label of your silicone product well and that you measure everything precisely. My product label says you need to add 3 parts of hardner to 100parts of silicone, so basically it's 3% of the silicone weight. I used a syringe to measure it and here you can see both parts ready to be mixed:



5. Now all you need to do is mix it WELL. And I mean really put your heart into it:) if you think it's mixed already, mix it some more. Than it's ready to be poured, but before that happens, wait around 15 minutes for the bubbles to come out onto the surface of the mix. You can help them by tapping the bottom of the container with your hand. If you think it's ready, pour it:)

6. Wait for the mixture to get into all the places of the box, if it's not cooperating use a small spatula or a toothpic and make it move:) also tap the whole base to get rid of bubbles from the mixture.



7. Wait a day or so, it depends how fast your silicone stuff cures.

[more pictures coming tommorow, I need to wait for the mold to cure:)]

If everything went well you'll be left with an undamaged object and a fully usable mold:) Happy mold making!! and hope it helps:)

Take care,
dsc.
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Posted: Friday, July 14, 2006 - 04:38 AM UTC
Great little feature thanks for taking the time to show us, Lego never thought of that before i have stacks of the stuff from when i was a kid hope it turns out OK we will have to see tomorrow

redleg
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Posted: Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 04:35 AM UTC
Ola again

RedLeg: yup, Lego, it kicks ass!!:) thanks for your kind words mate:)

So as I said earlier here are some more shots from today. The mold cured and it came out well, so here are the last few steps:

8. You need to make sure that the mold is hard, so give it a day or so to harden. Before disassembling the box touch the surface of the mold with you finger. If it's hard and you mixed it well before pouring , you can remove the box, like I did here:



9. When the box is gone you have to separate the base and the mold, do it gently so that the mold doesn't get damaged. Here you can see the objects partialy removed from the mold:




and the mold finally free from all the elements:



10. Wash the mold in some warm soapy water to get rid of any nasty chemicals from it's surface. Now you are ready to make your first cast:) You can use resin (I've read that you should wait another day for the mold to finally cure, so that it's harder and can take the resin, which can be quite nasty and destroy a mold) or plaster. I used the second option as you can see here:



11. Don't worry if the first cast isn't succesful, keep on trying and try to use different methods for casting. Below you can see a good quality cast, and some worse looking elements from a previous cast:



Now go and experiment:) Hope this was helpful and will show that mold making and casting is pretty easy and anyone can do it:)

Take care and
happy mold making:)
dsc.

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Posted: Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 01:36 PM UTC
Looks great, i think I should buy me some resin and start molding myself. I cant wait to see the endresult of your roof.


thx a lot

Thomas
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Posted: Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 03:53 PM UTC
NIce quick and easy SBS.
Question for you - would it have been easier to cut each piece in 1/2 before you made the mold? I'm thinking you're going to want to sand/cut the bottom side to make it fit well and I was thinking cutting it in half first would have save a step or two? Just a thought.

Tom- I would like to turn this into a feature SBS - PM me and let me know what you think.
dsc
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Posted: Monday, July 17, 2006 - 02:28 AM UTC
Ola fellas!

Thomas: Thanks for your kind words my friend:) I will try to show some more in-progress pictures of the roof in the near future. I just need to do some plaster casting and a lot of cutting and sanding:)

Scott: Yeah you are right, I could have made those cones into halfcones, but I already made a mold, so I guess I have to live with it:)
About the SBS feature - PM sent.

Cheers,
dsc.
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