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Where to obtain a Paladin?
Thrashergklm
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Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 01:04 PM UTC
Who makes a great 1/35 model of the Paladin? One that's really detailed, and who also makes a great interior for it as well? Also it has to be updated with the ammo carriers. I would like to do a Dio with a Paladin and the ammo carrier for a unit that came home from OIF.
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jlmurc
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Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 01:34 PM UTC
I do know that Trumpeter makes a 1:35 scale Paladin and if it is of similar quality to the 1:72 scale, I would think that it will be a very nice model to build and at a fair retail price. I cannot honestly say that I have ever seen an interior update set, but somebody will be able to answer that who knows.
John
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Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 01:49 PM UTC
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I do know that Trumpeter makes a 1:35 scale Paladin and if it is of similar quality to the 1:72 scale
Well, actually Trumpeter only make 1/72 scale kit. They don't make any 1/35 M109 kits.
EDIT: I just checked and actually Trumpeter don't make Paladin kit in any scale!
The only available 1/35 kit of M109A6 Paladin is Italeri one. As far as I remember it was also sold by Revell Germany in their own box, but it's the same plastic.
The kit is not perfect - there are some inaccuracies and some details are quite simplified. The only aftermarkets sets I know dedicated for this kit are Barrel Depot barrel (so so...) and Eduard PE set. There are also M109 tracks available from Skybow / AFV Club, but they are in fact not correct type for Paladin. Italeri however included the same type of tracks in the kit, just not as nice as Skybow's ones.
There are no interior sets for Paladin that I'm aware of, but maybe someone released something recently.
Pawel
sabot65
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Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 01:57 PM UTC
Hi Cam
Italeri produces the only Paladin kit available. It's a good kit with nice details but it needs some little work or a help from a photoetched set.
There aren't interiors sets available but with good references, probably, is possible to derivate the interior from the Warrior (...I'm not sure)M109A2 interior details set.
AEF Designs also produces an interior set but I don't know how good is it.
Ciao
Gaetano
Italeri produces the only Paladin kit available. It's a good kit with nice details but it needs some little work or a help from a photoetched set.
There aren't interiors sets available but with good references, probably, is possible to derivate the interior from the Warrior (...I'm not sure)M109A2 interior details set.
AEF Designs also produces an interior set but I don't know how good is it.
Ciao
Gaetano
HeavyArty
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Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 06:37 PM UTC
As the others have stated, the Italeri/Revell model is the only Paladin model out there. The biggest correction that needs to be made to build it acurately is the removal of the cover for the tubing of the flotation system. Italeri used its older M109A1 hull for the model. It has a boomarang shaped, raised piece in front of the turret opening that is no longer present on the M109A6 model. It needs to be removed to correct the Paladin.
Here ia an article on building and accurizing it.
Paladin
Here ia an article on building and accurizing it.
Paladin
Sabot
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Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 06:55 PM UTC
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You are probably confusing the US M109A6 Paladin with the British AS-90. Trumpeter makes the AS-90 in 1/72 and 1/35.I do know that Trumpeter makes a 1:35 scale Paladin and if it is of similar quality to the 1:72 scale, I would think that it will be a very nice model to build and at a fair retail price. I cannot honestly say that I have ever seen an interior update set, but somebody will be able to answer that who knows.
John
Jacques
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Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 07:05 PM UTC
I have built the Italeri kit and here is my advice:
1. Remove the floatation pieces as described by Gino.
2. USE the Eduard PE set. It helps out quite a bit.
3. USE the Skybow tracks. The Italeri ones are the terribly hard to work with variety...I use them on the one I built and still regret it.
4. No accurate interior for the M109A6 at this time. Not sure but it may be a OPSEC thing (GIno...Sabot?) I am assuming that it is significantly different in the interior from the A2 variety.
5. What ammo carrier did you have in OIF? If a M548, you can get a great kit from AFV Club. Ammo and all. If you used the M992 FAASV, then you need to either find a old NIMIX conversion or else do some scratchbuilding.
Hope that helps.
1. Remove the floatation pieces as described by Gino.
2. USE the Eduard PE set. It helps out quite a bit.
3. USE the Skybow tracks. The Italeri ones are the terribly hard to work with variety...I use them on the one I built and still regret it.
4. No accurate interior for the M109A6 at this time. Not sure but it may be a OPSEC thing (GIno...Sabot?) I am assuming that it is significantly different in the interior from the A2 variety.
5. What ammo carrier did you have in OIF? If a M548, you can get a great kit from AFV Club. Ammo and all. If you used the M992 FAASV, then you need to either find a old NIMIX conversion or else do some scratchbuilding.
Hope that helps.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 07:19 PM UTC
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4. No accurate interior for the M109A6 at this time. Not sure but it may be a OPSEC thing (GIno...Sabot?) I am assuming that it is significantly different in the interior from the A2 variety.
Don't think it is an OpSec issue. You can find plenty of pictures and info on the net and in books that show the interior of a Paladin. It is similar to an M109A2, with a few more bells and whistles, it could easily be converted from the Warriors sets. Guess no company has put the conversion together yet.
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5. What ammo carrier did you have in OIF? If a M548, you can get a great kit from AFV Club. Ammo and all. If you used the M992 FAASV, then you need to either find a old NIMIX conversion or else do some scratchbuilding.
M548 hasn't been used since the mid-'90's. The M992A1 is the current ammo carrier. As stated above, you would have to either conver/scratch it or get the expensive Nimix conversion.
badger66
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Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 08:13 PM UTC
Gino,
Glad to see you back in the swim
Glad to see you back in the swim
jlmurc
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Posted: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 12:08 AM UTC
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Quoted TextYou are probably confusing the US M109A6 Paladin with the British AS-90. Trumpeter makes the AS-90 in 1/72 and 1/35.I do know that Trumpeter makes a 1:35 scale Paladin and if it is of similar quality to the 1:72 scale, I would think that it will be a very nice model to build and at a fair retail price. I cannot honestly say that I have ever seen an interior update set, but somebody will be able to answer that who knows.
John
Trouble with reaching the mid forties the brain goes; yes Robin your right.
John
Jacques
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Posted: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 05:24 AM UTC
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Quoted Text4. No accurate interior for the M109A6 at this time. Not sure but it may be a OPSEC thing (GIno...Sabot?) I am assuming that it is significantly different in the interior from the A2 variety.
Don't think it is an OpSec issue. You can find plenty of pictures and info on the net and in books that show the interior of a Paladin. It is similar to an M109A2, with a few more bells and whistles, it could easily be converted from the Warriors sets. Guess no company has put the conversion together yet.
Hey Gino, where did they put the guts for the "shoot/scoot" system and the hydraulic controls for the spades? I am assuming they are the biggest changes. Also, I would assume that the turret interior has to be modified as it is a new build turret rather than a modified A2 turret...or am I off on this as well. (No A6's in the MNANG).
Also, they are still using M548's for Ammo carriage in Nat G. units. Not sure if that translates over the OIF for the guard units there, but it is still worth pointing out. Heck, they are still using 5ton trucks to transport ammo here, for the M198's.
LeoCmdr
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Posted: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 05:48 AM UTC
The link Gino posted to the M109A6 article on Missing Lynx is good but the flotation tubing cover on the hull was not removed.
Other details missing in all of the Italeri/ Revell-Germany M109 variant kits are:
-multiple missing bolt details on the spade mounts/spades
-the raised engine deck bolt details on on the right front of the hull should be recessed bolts
-there are three missing recessed bolts that run vertically on the engine deck
-once the flotation tubing cover is removed the grill behind the driver's hatch needs to be replaced with a full size grill as part of it is molded over by the flotation tubing cover.
There's a good article by Bart Cusumano in the July, 2006 issue of Fine Scale Modeler addressing most of the missing details on the M109A6 kits.
Other details missing in all of the Italeri/ Revell-Germany M109 variant kits are:
-multiple missing bolt details on the spade mounts/spades
-the raised engine deck bolt details on on the right front of the hull should be recessed bolts
-there are three missing recessed bolts that run vertically on the engine deck
-once the flotation tubing cover is removed the grill behind the driver's hatch needs to be replaced with a full size grill as part of it is molded over by the flotation tubing cover.
There's a good article by Bart Cusumano in the July, 2006 issue of Fine Scale Modeler addressing most of the missing details on the M109A6 kits.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 06:33 AM UTC
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Hey Gino, where did they put the guts for the "shoot/scoot" system and the hydraulic controls for the spades? I am assuming they are the biggest changes. Also, I would assume that the turret interior has to be modified as it is a new build turret rather than a modified A2 turret...
The hydaulics are moved from inside the turret to the front left in an external compartment, it is the squared off section witha door and ventilator. The rest of the internal parts from the A2/A5 (nitrogen equibilators and all its compnents) are in the raised section on the turret roof. The Fire control system is actually pretty small, about the size of a desktop computer CPU, and the hydraulic drive system for automatically laying the gun is also pretty compact and fits inside the turret. The whole rear box sectcuon is for projo and powder storage. The rest of the turret interior is pretty much the same layout.
Some examples,
Paladin breech:
Through the rear hatch:
The spades are not hydraulic, but still manual. The Paladin has extra-heavy duty brakes and the spades are not used during normal firing. The spades are only required when the M109A6 is mated to the M992 FAASV ammo carrier.
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There's a good article by Bart Cusumano in the July, 2006 issue of Fine Scale Modeler addressing most of the missing details on the M109A6 kits.
I knew there was a better article than the ML one, I just couldn't find it. Thanks Jason.
Jacques
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Posted: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 09:15 PM UTC
Thanks Gino...I saw a video with what must have been a prototype -A6 showing it stopping to fire and raising/lowering hydraulic spades. This was a video I saw at Ft. Sill in '95/'96 or so. Thanks for the clarification on the interior guts.
Also, beware of Bart's article in the FSM issue...he still has the Floatation kit installed too.
Otherwise it is a really good article covering most, if not all, the other detail needs. 
And on a side note, Gino, how well are the heavy duty brakes holding up? I am assuming that there are not any shoot/scoot missions in OIF or Afghanistan, but I thought part of the concern with the brake system was the wear issues and need for replacements over shorter periods?
Also, beware of Bart's article in the FSM issue...he still has the Floatation kit installed too.
Otherwise it is a really good article covering most, if not all, the other detail needs. And on a side note, Gino, how well are the heavy duty brakes holding up? I am assuming that there are not any shoot/scoot missions in OIF or Afghanistan, but I thought part of the concern with the brake system was the wear issues and need for replacements over shorter periods?
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