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Metalizer paints thinning
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Posted: Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 11:14 PM UTC
Hi, I have some metalizer paints (ModelMaster Paints, Humbrol paints), but I doubt about if I need to thin these paints with turpentine (white spirit) or another product. I'm going to use these paints with airbrush, please can someone to say me if these paints need to be thinned.
Thanks and best regards.
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Posted: Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 11:25 PM UTC
Hi Miguel,

I thin my metaizer paints, Humbrol Enamel and metalcote with a few drops of cellulose thinner as they airbrush beautifully with that medium.
You must make sure that you have a lot of ventilation as the chemical is more volatile than normal thinners, also I would suggest priming the surface first and only spraying thin coats as the thinner can attack the plastic. I believe that Laquer thinner is another name for the product.

John
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Posted: Friday, July 21, 2006 - 03:01 AM UTC
Thanks,John. Can say me a link where I can to buy the lacquer thinner? Thanks for help me. Regards.
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Posted: Friday, July 21, 2006 - 03:14 AM UTC
You may find it somewhere that sells automotive spares and paints in Spain, or in a local hobby store. The cans may well be marked Cellulose thinner.

I would think that post would be quite expensive, plus many postal services will not like it as it is very inflamable.

John
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Posted: Friday, July 21, 2006 - 07:31 AM UTC
Hi there..

Mode Master Metalizers are a modified laquer based coating.

I use them a lot and so far i've never had to thin any for airbrushing.. they are pretty thing to begin with.. but testors also makes a metalizer thinner for their metalizer paints..

I also use basic laquer thinner to clean my airbrush with so maybe a laquer thinner is what your looking for.. (but be sure to test on something non-critical first..)


good luck

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Posted: Friday, July 21, 2006 - 06:54 PM UTC
I have found the MM metalizer paints are really thin, I doubt you would need any thinning, they shoot fine, well mixed is the key.
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Posted: Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 05:04 PM UTC
Thank you very much for yours replies. Yesterday I bought the Model Master Metalizer thinner. I'm going to try it, thinning the metalizer paint with this thinner in the cup of the airbrush. I hope to make it well. As I have also the gunmetal "metalcoat" of Humbrol, I donīt know if it is possible to mix it with the metalizer Model Master paints. I suppose than the paint pigments are similar, but I donīt be sure.
Can I to mix these paints, Humbrol and Model Master metalizers?

Thank you very much for your support. Best regards from Spain.
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Posted: Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 06:29 PM UTC
With Metalcote, Cellulose thinner is the required item for thinning to airbrush. This was from Humbrol and may well say so on the tinlet.

John
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2006 - 10:37 AM UTC
Thanks John, but Do you know if I can to mix the Humbrol and ModelMaster , both metalizer paints ?

Thanks for the information about the cellulose thinner, I'm going to search it. Thank you John.
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2006 - 02:58 PM UTC
Miguel,

I have never gotten my hands on any testors, so I dont know. I guess that you could mix a couple of brushfuls and see what happens on a food container top. That should let you see if they mix and how they last, but more to the point;
why do you want to mix these paints, if it is to get another colour is there someway that we can make suggestions?

Metalcote can be a bit picky in many ways so I feel that mixing it may not work very well as it is a specialist thing.

John
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2006 - 04:46 PM UTC
Thanks John, The only reason that I want to mix these different paints is because I have only available in my paint-boxes the Model-Master aluminium paint and the Gunmetal (metalcoat) of Humbrol.

I like to mix both paints in order to obtain a new colour (dark aluminium or burn aluminium).

I think that the best option is to buy the Gunmetal colour with Model -Master in order to mix it with MM alumium,..... or the other option is to buy the Aluminium of Humbrol. I think that I must to mix paints with the same trademark.

Thanks John, I hope that you understand me. My english is very poor.

Best regards.
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2006 - 05:43 PM UTC
Miguel,

Your english is 'Excellent' and yes I would only mix paints from the same manufacturer, Metalcote can be a little funny, I would follow what you said and get the other colour to achieve your desired colour.

Glad to help.

John
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Posted: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 01:33 PM UTC
Thanks John, I'm going to buy the paints of the same trademark. It is best option to minimise all risks for this proposal. For me, the metalizer paints are not pleasing to work them, but I'm going to try it. I will be used this burnt aluminium for the cowling of the WWI aircrafts.
Thank you John, and take care.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 01:59 PM UTC
Miguel,

It is always a pleasure to be able to help another, I did have another thought for you, which is have you ever looked at Alclad II paints?

They offer a range of superb aircraft metallic colours, which are pre-thinned, airbrush like a dream and dry in about ten minutes. You do have to undercoat with gloss black, I have always used theirs.

I will include a link to their website at the end, but whatever way you go the best of luck and maybe we will see some of your work.

Regards,

John

http://alclad2.com/
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Posted: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 06:15 PM UTC
Thank you very much John, I must bear it in mind. I think that I would buy some ALCLAD's paints for these aplications. I like to paint the cowling with a dark aluminium. I just to see it in your link. There are different options to simulate this colour, I think:

101 Aluminium
103 Dark Aluminium
104 Pale Burnt Metal
106 White Aluminium

I donīt know the most appropriate colour for this element.

Please let me know your opinion.

But anyway, I going to find any shop in Spain where I could buy them.

thanks John for your information and support.

Best regards, miguel.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 06:41 PM UTC
Miguel,

I would suggest looking at 103 or 104, if you look mon the website there is a page that shows each colour used on an aircraft, with differnet sections painted in different colours.
I know that monitors have different abilities to show colours properly, but you will get a reasonable showing of the shade and tone of the colours.

In truth I know very little about WW1 aircraft as I have never built one, so hopefully a brother member on the site, might be able to point you in the right direction. I have used them in the past on modern jet engines and things.

Glad to have been of help and of course will continue to try as I can

Kind regards,

John
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