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MrKilroy
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Posted: Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 06:34 AM UTC
Has anyone ever used these to make a flowing river? This is my first attempt at making a diorama and was going to have a flowing river.

Any suggestions would be appreciated!
Thanks!
slodder
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Posted: Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 07:17 AM UTC
I haven't used either of the two products you mentioned.

This is what I use
Resin used for water

There are a bunch of experience guys who have used a ton of different water products. So hold on and wait for more feed back.
beachbum
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Posted: Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 12:30 PM UTC
I've not used the products you mentioned either but if you go to the Water effects section here in the Diorama section you will be able to bump into a thread on their use along with lots of different techniques as mentioned by Scott.

I've experimented with several glues to make flowing water. One of the most realistic ones apart from those using resin is that done by Plasticbattle using glue as well.

The first pic below was done with a combo of CA glue and polystyrene glue but its too tedious.


The second which is much easier is done by applying a dark basecoat for the river bottom followed by thin layers of gloss wood varnish tinted very lightly with the desired river color. Each layer has less and less tinted paint. The last is just clear gloss wood varnish followed by waves created with superglue. Do not agitate too much or have the layers too thick or they will trap bubbles.


The last is with layers of a clear acrylic based glue (by GE) which is used for sticking glass and such. its good for smaller bodies of water like a small stream. Same method as above in that it was tinted and applied in several layers.


Do check out the Water Effects section if you can spare the time as there are many excellent water techniques like that done by Plasticbattle and others.

jba
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Posted: Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 01:20 PM UTC
hi pals,
i never used this woodland scenic stuff (i guess it's what you're refering to as water effects and realistic water) BUT from what the website says this stuff reminds me a lot of the acrylic Nimix water that used to be so hype (at least in France) half a dozen years ago. if it's the same thing (soft, non toxic, gelatinous and 'reusable' thing) i would strongly recommend against it for one good reason: in the summer when you leave your home and it's very hot outisde, YOUR DIORAMA MELTS!
if you're lucky and your diorama doen't melt, the stuff takes a vitrous dirty yellow tint and you then take hours to remove the dirty paste with a knife and hot water!!
i had to redo the water of at least 2 of my dioramas thanks to this stuff.

the good thing with polyester resin is that it stands the test of time, now whenever i'm proposed a new produce for doing some water i ask "show me a 5 years old diorama done with that stuff",
and again, remember that not only the colour but also the transparency may be altered with time.

Now some could object that you can't do any "violent" water with polyester resin, well, it's not true so here are a few examples from my archives, all the waves are done with polyester resin
jb




RoelGeutjens
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Posted: Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 03:00 PM UTC
Hey Ken

You mean the realistic water from woodland scenics?? I have just Realistic water and water from A-Z from woodland scenics. And sorry but it did not work for me. That melting product smells real bad. The water to pour is ok but it did not dry good. It always had a dull colour. Some sort of grey.

I asked some modelers what I just best for making water. And all had the same answer: CLEAR CASTING RESIN.

And buddy that sh*t rules. There is no better I believe.
I have pics on my website under the projects page and then click the ardennes Dio link.
There are more pics in a topic here on armorama

If you have questions please ask
Bye Roel
camogirl
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Posted: Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 04:08 PM UTC
I think clear casting resin tends to work best.
Removed by original poster on 08/04/06 - 20:52:49 (GMT).
grimreaper
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Posted: Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 06:56 PM UTC

http://modelshipwrights.kitmaker.net//features/882

The link above is to an article about a small dio that I did using both of those materials.
Gary
MrKilroy
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Posted: Friday, August 04, 2006 - 03:05 AM UTC
Thanks for all of the replies!

CK Tang - I would love my water to turn out like the one in your first photo.

Gary- Awsome dio. Love it.

I guess I had forgotten to mention that I had already purchased the Realistic Water and Water effects. I used some 40% off couponds at Hobby-Lobby, so the price wasn't too bad.

Do you tweak the Realistic Water or use the Water effects for making rapids in a river?

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