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Posted: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 04:36 AM UTC
I am in the process of building AFC Clubs AIFV, and i want to depict it in the Turkish U.N colour scheme, but i have a couple of questions.
Is the white U.N paint scheme sprayed over the existing colour, and are the not so well seen areas sprayed as well.
Are removable parts (tools, etc) removed before spraying or left on.
And finally ( OK that's 3 :-) ), what type of paint do they use, as in cellulose, water based, etc.
Thanks for any help.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 04:46 AM UTC
I've seen it in two ways. Normally, the nations' vehicles are over sprayed white, with tools and other equipment removed. I've also seen UN-owned equipment that was painted white by the manufacturer.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 05:45 AM UTC
Andy,

I served on UN missions in Cyprus and Bosnia.

The Turkish AIFVs were painted very nicely in a permanent type paint...it would not wash off with water. It would have been sprayed over the camouflage colours.

The vehicles were very well painted and all appropriate lights, fittings, etc... had been masked off properly before painting. They actually carried very little external stowage...not even a tow cable on the rear ramp. They had a German style convoy marker light...like on the Leopards, mounted on the rear ramp and it was still in green. The spare tracks had even been removed and replaced after painting.

Good luck with your project.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 05:01 PM UTC
Hi Andy
I Served in Bosnia to and what I remember is that some forces ( turkish,dutch,danish) kept their vehicles very clean unlike other nations that I have seen.
good luck with your build.
Patrick.
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Posted: Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 11:55 AM UTC
Thanks Guys.
Properly painted is the way to go then.
My vehicle will be weathered a bit as i wish to try out some new techniques ( well new to me :-)) i have seen in Ospreys Modelling the M113 series.
Thanks, Andy
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Posted: Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 02:36 PM UTC

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Andy,
They actually carried very little external stowage...not even a tow cable on the rear ramp.
Good luck with your project.


You'll also find this practice was very common for military vehicles on maneuvers in NATO countries. Vehicles operating among civilians often had the on-vehicle equipment removed to prevent the local taxpayers from walking off with those nice, government-issue shovels, axes and sledgehammers.
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Posted: Friday, August 18, 2006 - 04:43 AM UTC

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Andy,
They actually carried very little external stowage...not even a tow cable on the rear ramp.
Good luck with your project.


You'll also find this practice was very common for military vehicles on maneuvers in NATO countries. Vehicles operating among civilians often had the on-vehicle equipment removed to prevent the local taxpayers from walking off with those nice, government-issue shovels, axes and sledgehammers.


Now they are either brave or incredibly stupid people :-) .
I take it they left the tools on while on peacekeeping missions in hostile countries though.
Thanks, Andy
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Posted: Friday, August 18, 2006 - 10:00 AM UTC
The tools are removed from the external mounts and just stowed inside the vehicle. The crews still take all the equipment with them. It just prevents theft...an APC moving at 2 miles and hour along a crowded street is an easy target for a thief that wants to run up and grab a shovel from the hull side mounts...you aren't about to shoot him/her or chase them through the crowd of hundreds to get it back.

The Australian Centurions enroute to Vietnam had their pioneer tools and tools kits stolen by dock workers.

It was an SOP for Canadian Bison crews to remove all external stowage and mounted concertina wire on the hull front and sides to prevent theft and unwanted guests on the vehicles while travelling the crowded streets.

Spare tires mounted on the M151 Mutts were commonly chained and pad locked so they weren't stolen while vehicles were parked in West German towns during exercises.

British Chieftain tank crews that stored their ruck sacks and sleeping bags in the external open bins on the turret had them very quickly ventilated with small arms fire by eager and laughing Infantry during live fire training.
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