Hi Guys
I am new to this and was thinking about the best way forward.
What is it best thing to do before stating a Diorama. Is it start with the history of the diorama, Build the figure tank etc and then start with the history. or would be to start with a plan on sketch paper and then build up from that.
cheers
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What to do before starting
WELLY
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Posted: Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 05:37 PM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 06:02 PM UTC
Gday Matt and firstly welcome!
I would firstly have an image in my head to be sketched out, or failing that, peruse a book or the www for a great photo or idea...
Nothing worse than setting up a diorama and then realising things don't fit or suit!
IF you have a tank, say for arguments sake, a Sherman ( ) then establish what theatre they were deployed in, the type or mark of the tank you wish to build, and then begin narrowing down your search...
Being a beginner, don't expect everything to fall into place, but know that there is help here at every step! You can even scan your rough sketch layout before building and post it here for some advice
Hope this helps some
Cheers
Brad
I would firstly have an image in my head to be sketched out, or failing that, peruse a book or the www for a great photo or idea...
Nothing worse than setting up a diorama and then realising things don't fit or suit!
IF you have a tank, say for arguments sake, a Sherman ( ) then establish what theatre they were deployed in, the type or mark of the tank you wish to build, and then begin narrowing down your search...
Being a beginner, don't expect everything to fall into place, but know that there is help here at every step! You can even scan your rough sketch layout before building and post it here for some advice
Hope this helps some
Cheers
Brad
Bearkat
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Posted: Monday, September 18, 2006 - 09:14 AM UTC
I base my dioramas around the figures. To me the figure tells a story and I go from there. The next thing I do is put the figures in the right theater of war and the division they are belonging to by doing some research. I then gather the materials I need to build my diorama. I do mostly German figures so researching uniforms in the right time frame of the war is essential. I then visualize how I am going to build the diorama and than put it down on paper. This is my method of building figure dioramas and I am sure that there other ways from other modelers.
I hope this helps.
Henry
I hope this helps.
Henry
Klown
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Posted: Monday, September 18, 2006 - 03:48 PM UTC
I personally dont model for historical accuracy, i do it for fun, so i dont do to much research into backgroud knowledge.
And again, personally, i dont think i have ever written or drawn a plan! i just start making it and see where it goes, because thats what works for me, i think its just a case of what you find works for you best, so if it means drawing a million sketces etc then do it :-)
And again, personally, i dont think i have ever written or drawn a plan! i just start making it and see where it goes, because thats what works for me, i think its just a case of what you find works for you best, so if it means drawing a million sketces etc then do it :-)
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Posted: Monday, September 18, 2006 - 06:02 PM UTC
I usually start off with the idea.
I find something specific I want to portray most of the time (like the battle of Kursk), and let the idea form from there. I usually Google the subject, read up on it, and then Google it again for pictures. If I dont find anything that inspires me that way, I check a website called corbis.com that is essentially a library of photographs of....well, everything you can imagine.
corbis is kind of a mixed bag though. If you search for say, "Waffen SS" you'll get 40 or so good pictures of Joachim Pieper and friends at work and at leisure, and about 60 or so pictures of skinhead goons marching thru Pulaski, Tennessee to celebrate the birthday of the Klan. It's essentially a media source for everything, and you have to pick thru it to find what you want.
Once I do that, I'll make a few rough sketches of what I want to do and try to gauge the size of what I'm going to work with.
Once I find the size, I try to find the right base for my dio. I usually go to HobbyLobby or Michaels, I'm not sure if they are international, but you probably know where your local craft store is anyway, right? I can usually find a base there for less than a dollar (U.S.), and then I stain it myself.
Once I do that, I take the base and copy it on a copier at work, and usually make about ten copies of it. Why? because that way I can get a feel for what I actually have room for, and what I have to take out. Oftentimes I find that what i start with becomes something different entirely by the time I actually get around to making the dio.
As far as what comes first, the dio or the model? I usually start with the model, work on it until I start to feel even the slightest bit irritated with a difficult bit, and then work on the dio some, switching back and forth. It keeps it fresh.
If you get bored or impatient, just stop and walk away from it. Go start another model, or do something else, because if you hurry thru it just for the sake of getting it done, you wont like the results. Go check this out;
http://www.ww2modelmaker.com/modelpages/SGstreetbat.htm
This guy is a friend of mine; actually, he's the guy who got me hooked on modeling again after 20 years....My wife just loves him to death!
Anyway, he works on so many different things at once, it's unreal. He has stuff that he told me he has walked away from for over a year, and then he comes back and finishes it in less than a day.
I find something specific I want to portray most of the time (like the battle of Kursk), and let the idea form from there. I usually Google the subject, read up on it, and then Google it again for pictures. If I dont find anything that inspires me that way, I check a website called corbis.com that is essentially a library of photographs of....well, everything you can imagine.
corbis is kind of a mixed bag though. If you search for say, "Waffen SS" you'll get 40 or so good pictures of Joachim Pieper and friends at work and at leisure, and about 60 or so pictures of skinhead goons marching thru Pulaski, Tennessee to celebrate the birthday of the Klan. It's essentially a media source for everything, and you have to pick thru it to find what you want.
Once I do that, I'll make a few rough sketches of what I want to do and try to gauge the size of what I'm going to work with.
Once I find the size, I try to find the right base for my dio. I usually go to HobbyLobby or Michaels, I'm not sure if they are international, but you probably know where your local craft store is anyway, right? I can usually find a base there for less than a dollar (U.S.), and then I stain it myself.
Once I do that, I take the base and copy it on a copier at work, and usually make about ten copies of it. Why? because that way I can get a feel for what I actually have room for, and what I have to take out. Oftentimes I find that what i start with becomes something different entirely by the time I actually get around to making the dio.
As far as what comes first, the dio or the model? I usually start with the model, work on it until I start to feel even the slightest bit irritated with a difficult bit, and then work on the dio some, switching back and forth. It keeps it fresh.
If you get bored or impatient, just stop and walk away from it. Go start another model, or do something else, because if you hurry thru it just for the sake of getting it done, you wont like the results. Go check this out;
http://www.ww2modelmaker.com/modelpages/SGstreetbat.htm
This guy is a friend of mine; actually, he's the guy who got me hooked on modeling again after 20 years....My wife just loves him to death!
Anyway, he works on so many different things at once, it's unreal. He has stuff that he told me he has walked away from for over a year, and then he comes back and finishes it in less than a day.
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Posted: Monday, September 18, 2006 - 06:04 PM UTC
That link should have beenHERE.
WELLY
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 05:34 PM UTC
Thanks to you all. I will post the start of my work once i have found away of puttin photos on here.
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Posted: Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 03:37 PM UTC
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good luck on your project,hope you have better results figuring out how to add pics,because i haven't,i pretty much stopped tring.Thanks to you all. I will post the start of my work once i have found away of puttin photos on here.
Joe
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Posted: Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 03:48 PM UTC
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good luck on your project,hope you have better results figuring out how to add pics,because i haven't,i pretty much stopped tring.
Joe
If you guys need some help posting pictures shoot me a PM. It took me a while too. Do you have your pictures loaded in your free Armorama gallery space? If you don't that is a good place to start.
Shaun