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Markings for M1-A2 and Bradley
mason
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Posted: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 07:31 AM UTC
heres my question. can i use Echelons decals of 3-7 cav or 1-37armor to mark my abrams and bradley my bradley does have the era armor to it and i made the citv to go on it also.A little confused with the markings.Any help please. This is my first time on this site.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 08:41 AM UTC
Not really. 3-7 CAV, 3ID had all M1A1s during OIF 1 (invasion phase), when the Echelon decal sheet depicts. 1-37 AR, 1AD had all M1A1s as well. M1A2s are only fielded in 3 units, 1CAV (M1A2 and M1A2 SEP), 4ID (mostly M1A2 SEP), and 3ACR (all standard M1A2s). They are all sand in color as well.

Also, 3-7 CAV Bradleys didn't have the ERA blocks on them either. If you added the CITV to your Bradley it makes it an M2A3, only 1CAV and 4ID have M2A3s. A few other units may be/have fielded them as well, but not in Iraq where they would have used the ERA blocks.

Echelon is supposed to be coming out with a Bradley's in OIF decal sheet soon too.

Basically, for the vehicles you have built, an M1A2 and an M2A3 w/ERA, you have 4ID or 1CAV as marking options.

Hope that helps. Welcome to the site.
Razor635
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Posted: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 08:57 AM UTC
1-37 Had M1A1HAs with the Block 1 modifications. Upgraded battery box, Laser safe GPS, MPAT and STAFF ammo upgrades. Also ECM and Ballistic computer upgrades. Some of the A Co vehicles will have laser safe vision blocks for the driver and loader. As of early 1993 the paint will be new with none of the usual fender and bustle rack damage. It was all fixed then the vehicles got thier nice pretty NATO paint scheme. The Aco plow was desert tan and the roller was 1 color green. The 24 tank around the same time will have the small gps door painted tan with a black lightning bolt in the center signifying a 1000pt crew.
FatMike
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 05:05 AM UTC
In 2003 when 1st BDE was deployed to Iraq, 1/37 AR and 2/37 AR both had all AIM tanks. Now they have some of the TUSK upgrades and a few even have the CSAMM system mounted on them.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 07:18 AM UTC
Steve and Mike,
Great info from both of you, but the point still stands that 1-37 AR doesn't and hasn't used M1A2s, so his model still can't be marked as a 1-37 AR tank off the Echelon sheet.
Razor635
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 08:14 AM UTC
HHC 2-81AR 1st Armor Training Brigade is another marking option for the M1A2. This is for 1996 until at least 1999. At the time these vehicles where in like new condition as they only field time they saw was on the gun range.

For test bed M1A2s I believe they where C Co 1/67. There where 4 vehicles attached as 3rd Platoon D Co 3/67 Ar in 1992. 3/67 was in the right rotation for gunnery and NTC for testing. They where converted M1IPs or A1s with insrument rack extended off the bustle rack and addon armor panels on the turret and front glasis to simulate the added armor.
The testbed A2s had no unit markings and the addon armor had not for ballistic use in 1.5 in stencil on all panels.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 08:35 AM UTC
If you go with Steve's recommendation for the test tanks and AR Tng BDE tanks, make sure you leave off the CIPs (louvered squares on turret sides) and the raised squares (with velcro "L"s at the corners) on the turret front slopes.

Good luck.
FatMike
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 05:53 PM UTC

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Steve and Mike,
Great info from both of you, but the point still stands that 1-37 AR doesn't and hasn't used M1A2s, so his model still can't be marked as a 1-37 AR tank off the Echelon sheet.


Ahhh I see now. somehow I missed that he was tring to mark an M1A2 with the 1/37 markings... I must pay more attation...

well I am only an E-4 so its hard to pay for anything...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

OK OK bad joke
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 07:10 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Ahhh I see now. somehow I missed that he was tring to mark an M1A2 with the 1/37 markings... I must pay more attation...

well I am only an E-4 so its hard to pay for anything...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OK OK bad joke


I am still chuckling over the E-4 remark... Keep at it and you will be the SMA in no time...
badger66
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 07:50 PM UTC

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HHC 2-81AR 1st Armor Training Brigade is another marking option for the M1A2. This is for 1996 until at least 1999. At the time these vehicles where in like new condition as they only field time they saw was on the gun range.

For test bed M1A2s I believe they where C Co 1/67. There where 4 vehicles attached as 3rd Platoon D Co 3/67 Ar in 1992. 3/67 was in the right rotation for gunnery and NTC for testing. They where converted M1IPs or A1s with insrument rack extended off the bustle rack and addon armor panels on the turret and front glasis to simulate the added armor.
The testbed A2s had no unit markings and the addon armor had not for ballistic use in 1.5 in stencil on all panels.


2-8 Cav 1CD had some M1A2s here back in 93 94 for for tests
mason
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Posted: Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 12:23 AM UTC
Thanks for all that info from everyone,i'm going to mark my armor as the 1cav will just have to make my own decals for them both.I went on prime portal and looked at some of the photos as a little ref , what a site! will try to post pictures when they are done.
Razor635
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Posted: Friday, October 13, 2006 - 03:14 AM UTC

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HHC 2-81AR 1st Armor Training Brigade is another marking option for the M1A2. This is for 1996 until at least 1999. At the time these vehicles where in like new condition as they only field time they saw was on the gun range.

For test bed M1A2s I believe they where C Co 1/67. There where 4 vehicles attached as 3rd Platoon D Co 3/67 Ar in 1992. 3/67 was in the right rotation for gunnery and NTC for testing. They where converted M1IPs or A1s with insrument rack extended off the bustle rack and addon armor panels on the turret and front glasis to simulate the added armor.
The testbed A2s had no unit markings and the addon armor had not for ballistic use in 1.5 in stencil on all panels.

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2-8 Cav 1CD had some M1A2s here back in 93 94 for for tests


I left in December 92 so I missed the 2-8 Cav testing.

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