Gordon,
The trailer towed by the M1132 ESV is the M200A1 with the M58 Mine Clearing Line Charge (MICLIC).
It's also mounting the Pearson Surface Mine Plow.
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What Stryker variants should come next?
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And secondly, actually it's my first choice, the Engineering version would be dandy as candy!.......But chances of that would be even slimmer than my above prediction
Tread.
Tread:
I think your wish for an ESV would be doable since it is based on the ICV with just some stuff attached like the plow and lane marker? attached to the rear. Ric could clarify that I think. Others, as Ric has mentioned, would be more difficult since roofs are different, in addition to the equipment carried. As you can see w/ the Med Evac version and the mortar version, lots more is involved since the hull has differences too, not just the roof or equipment.
Bob
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Posted: Monday, October 23, 2006 - 02:04 AM UTC
With Dragon's record, my money is on a Beute-Stryker 
Complete with 'authentic' balkenkreuz' markings for a hypothetical Werwolf captured vehicle from the last uprising in the late 90's...
Interesting times, indeed.
Glad the model companies are recognizing a long unfulfilled need.
Mike C
Complete with 'authentic' balkenkreuz' markings for a hypothetical Werwolf captured vehicle from the last uprising in the late 90's...
Interesting times, indeed.
Glad the model companies are recognizing a long unfulfilled need.
Mike C
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Posted: Monday, October 23, 2006 - 02:07 AM UTC
HI
With three companies soon to release a STRYKER, I am more concerned right now as to accuracy.
I am sure that in the fullness of time, we will see several releases and as long as they are accurate I am happy.
Tom
With three companies soon to release a STRYKER, I am more concerned right now as to accuracy.
I am sure that in the fullness of time, we will see several releases and as long as they are accurate I am happy.
Tom
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Posted: Monday, October 23, 2006 - 02:42 AM UTC
I would like to see the M1130 CV version in 1/72 so I could do a dio of a Brigade TOC
Ch
Ch
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I think your wish for an ESV would be doable since it is based on the ICV with just some stuff attached like the plow and lane marker? attached to the rear.
Yes Rob it would be easiest to convert ICV, all you would have to do is add the JFK (Joint Fitting Kit) to the front with one of 4 attachment, ie Mine Roller, Surface Mine Plow, Angled Mine Plow, or the Straight Obstacle Blade. Then on the back the Lane Marking System. Other small things would be to move the Antennae bases and some additional plugs at the rear of the vehicle for the M200A1 trailer hook up.
Ric
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Posted: Monday, October 23, 2006 - 05:55 AM UTC
:-) :-) :-) ....Ryan and Jeff, you guys are knee-slappers to be sure.
And I like your choices as well. But unfortunately I inquered about what it really carried and not what we might like it to carry Thx go out to LeoCmdr for coming to the rescue with the answer. I still think that " M200A1" would make a dandy addition to any kit manufacturer's list of offerings. Don't suppose there are any plans available of this rig? Or maybe a kitbash of an existing kit....maybe?
Also, I was curious about the 'fore mentioned "Lane Marking System" and what it consisted of....precisely what components in the picture below make up the LMS?
Additionally, a front Plow accessory kit would be sweet as well....
My apologies for the CGI images, but I couldn't find any real {large}images of the LMS.
Tread.
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Posted: Monday, October 23, 2006 - 06:44 AM UTC
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In your picture above the Lane Marking System consists of the two rectangular boxes that are mounted on the left and right rear of the vehicle. They are used to shoot Lane Markers into the ground so that follow on vehicles follow the proper path
Ric
In your picture above the Lane Marking System consists of the two rectangular boxes that are mounted on the left and right rear of the vehicle. They are used to shoot Lane Markers into the ground so that follow on vehicles follow the proper path
Ric
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Posted: Monday, October 23, 2006 - 06:57 AM UTC
Gordon,
Sorry, I forgot to add in my posting about the M200A1 that Hobby Fan already makes a resin kit of the M200A1 trailer mounting the M58 MICLIC.
Sorry, I forgot to add in my posting about the M200A1 that Hobby Fan already makes a resin kit of the M200A1 trailer mounting the M58 MICLIC.
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Gordon, just had to defend my service. Well ok, if the M200A1 also mounts the MICLIC, I'd imagine it carry just about anything else, including demoliitions, or various other engineering supplies. All the troops' gear is on the side of the Stryker, so personal gear probably isn't in the trailer.
Jeff
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I remember posting two years ago when people were wishing for a Stryker.
I said a Stryker would be very nice, but as people mentioned here, the main weapon of it is the infantry squad of nine and their SAWs, M203S, M240, night vision, radio, AT-4s, and two Javelin launchers.
And hopefully one of the three Stryker kits will give the option of mounting the M2 OR the MK-19, and not just all three give the M2HB.
The release date will be 2007...nice to see someone make the nine-man infantry squad by then because never before has an AFV family placed such emphasis on the infantry squad (well, OK, the USMC's upcoming EFV does...if it can survive the cost-cutting axe).
I said a Stryker would be very nice, but as people mentioned here, the main weapon of it is the infantry squad of nine and their SAWs, M203S, M240, night vision, radio, AT-4s, and two Javelin launchers.
And hopefully one of the three Stryker kits will give the option of mounting the M2 OR the MK-19, and not just all three give the M2HB.
The release date will be 2007...nice to see someone make the nine-man infantry squad by then
because never before has an AFV family placed such emphasis on the infantry squad (well, OK, the USMC's upcoming EFV does...if it can survive the cost-cutting axe).TreadHead
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Posted: Monday, October 23, 2006 - 10:38 PM UTC
Howdy fellas,
Many thx Ric for the answer to my question. I thought it had something to do with those boxes....is this same system {in the same configuration} used on other vehicles such as the LAV's, etc?
Reason I ask is because it would be a pretty neat addition to any AFV build.
to LeoCmdr: Thx for the heads up on the Hobby Fan offering of the M200A1, no offense to Hobby Fan, but that almost automatically means mucho sheckels....but thanks
to Jeff: "....Gordon, just had to defend my service...."
Understood.
to Peter: "...I remember posting two years ago when people were wishing for a Stryker...."
I remember the discussions back then as well.
Tread.
Many thx Ric for the answer to my question. I thought it had something to do with those boxes....is this same system {in the same configuration} used on other vehicles such as the LAV's, etc?
Reason I ask is because it would be a pretty neat addition to any AFV build.
to LeoCmdr: Thx for the heads up on the Hobby Fan offering of the M200A1, no offense to Hobby Fan, but that almost automatically means mucho sheckels....but thanks
to Jeff: "....Gordon, just had to defend my service...."
Understood.
to Peter: "...I remember posting two years ago when people were wishing for a Stryker...."
I remember the discussions back then as well.
Tread.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 - 03:31 AM UTC
Gordon, the CGI images you posted of the ESV made me really, really want one. I've got my fingers crossed hoping Dragon/Trumpeter/AFV come out with this version within a year or so.
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Quoted TextOk call me ignorant but what the hell do all those abreviation mean?
Can some provide a link to a variant list.
ICV Infantry Carrier Vehicle
ESV Engineer Squad Vehicle
FSV Fire Support Vehicle
ATGM Anti Tank Guided Missle Vehicle
MGS Mobile Gun System
MCA Mortar Carrier Alpha variant
MCB Mortar Carrier Bravo variant
RV Reconnasaince Vehicle
NBCRV Nuclear Biological Chemical Reconnasaince Vehicle
CV Command Vehicle
MEV Medical Evacuation Vehicle
Hope this helps
Ric
Ok, now take the Canadians and New Zealanders into consideration and you can add the following variants which are LAVIII which is the base version of the Stryker.
Candians have the:
LAV 25 APC
LAV 25 Recce
LAV 25 FOO
LAV Recce
The Kiwis
LAV 25 NZLAV
Tanks
Andy
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It is spelled CANADIAN....not Candian or Candadians. Just a friendly reminder, thanks.
The Canadian Forces actually has:
Based on the LAV 25-
LAV Coyote Recce- mast surveillance suite variant and remote surveillance suite variant
Bison- Ambulance & Command Post & Mobile Repair Team & NBCW & TRILS(Tactical Radar Identification and Location System)
Buffalo- ArmouredRecovery Vehicle(based on Bison hull)
Aeries- Electronic Warfare(based on Bison hull)
Wolf- 81 mm Mortar(based on Bison hull)
Canada doesn't use a LAV 25 APC....that's what the LAV III is designed for.
Based on the LAV III-
LAV III Infantry Section Carriers
LAV III Command Post
LAV III TOW Under Armour (TUA)
LAV III Engineer variant
LAV III Forward Observation Officer (FOO)
The Canadian Forces actually has:
Based on the LAV 25-
LAV Coyote Recce- mast surveillance suite variant and remote surveillance suite variant
Bison- Ambulance & Command Post & Mobile Repair Team & NBCW & TRILS(Tactical Radar Identification and Location System)
Buffalo- ArmouredRecovery Vehicle(based on Bison hull)
Aeries- Electronic Warfare(based on Bison hull)
Wolf- 81 mm Mortar(based on Bison hull)
Canada doesn't use a LAV 25 APC....that's what the LAV III is designed for.
Based on the LAV III-
LAV III Infantry Section Carriers
LAV III Command Post
LAV III TOW Under Armour (TUA)
LAV III Engineer variant
LAV III Forward Observation Officer (FOO)
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MGS gets my vote,
IIRC with the exception of the mortar vehicle being wider than the others. the other variants dont share a common roof setup with the exception of the RV and FSV. not too mention that the interiors vary, and the different upgrade versions.
that being said i think a 3-1 kit would be really expensive.
IIRC with the exception of the mortar vehicle being wider than the others. the other variants dont share a common roof setup with the exception of the RV and FSV. not too mention that the interiors vary, and the different upgrade versions.
that being said i think a 3-1 kit would be really expensive.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 - 02:13 PM UTC
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MGS gets my vote,
the other variants dont share a common roof setup with the exception of the RV and FSV.
Actually the ICV, CV and ESV all have common roofs. Of course the interiors are going to vary, but who knows if they are going to go as far as to make an interior for these vehicles yet, some other aftermarket company may come along and do interiors.
Ric
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Because the MGS is just beginning production, don't expect a model anytime soon and if so, don't expect an accurate one as the current production models are probably going to change nearly as soon as they roll off the production lines.
Jeff
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Posted: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 01:53 AM UTC
Is the MGS truly entering production? I thought it was a controversial variant of an already controversial program.
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Yep, my understanding is that it is in at least Low-Rate Initial Production (which means that essentially a few are built at a time to tweak any issues with vehicle and with the assembly line).
As for the controversy - and lets not bring up any outstanding arguments - the Strykers, liked or not, are in the Army to stay. They've been fielded to at least 4 brigades with I think a few more to go (2 2ID brigades, the 172nd, and a 25th ID unit is standing up - correct me if I'm wrong).
As of right now, all units are in some kind of production as the Mortar Carriers, and NBC vehicles started production before the MGS.
Jeff
As for the controversy - and lets not bring up any outstanding arguments - the Strykers, liked or not, are in the Army to stay. They've been fielded to at least 4 brigades with I think a few more to go (2 2ID brigades, the 172nd, and a 25th ID unit is standing up - correct me if I'm wrong).
As of right now, all units are in some kind of production as the Mortar Carriers, and NBC vehicles started production before the MGS.
Jeff
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Quoted Text
It is spelled CANADIAN....not Candian or Candadians. Just a friendly reminder, thanks.
The Canadian Forces actually has:
Based on the LAV 25-
LAV Coyote Recce- mast surveillance suite variant and remote surveillance suite variant
Bison- Ambulance & Command Post & Mobile Repair Team & NBCW & TRILS(Tactical Radar Identification and Location System)
Buffalo- ArmouredRecovery Vehicle(based on Bison hull)
Aeries- Electronic Warfare(based on Bison hull)
Wolf- 81 mm Mortar(based on Bison hull)
Canada doesn't use a LAV 25 APC....that's what the LAV III is designed for.
Based on the LAV III-
LAV III Infantry Section Carriers
LAV III Command Post
LAV III TOW Under Armour (TUA)
LAV III Engineer variant
LAV III Forward Observation Officer (FOO)
Jason,
Sorry about the spelling my bust, I'm actually at the main production plant at the moment doing some testing on new equipment.
Tanks
Andy
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Posted: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 02:45 AM UTC
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They've been fielded to at least 4 brigades with I think a few more to go (2 2ID brigades, the 172nd, and a 25th ID unit is standing up - correct me if I'm wrong).
So far you are 75% correct. 2 ID now has 2 SBCT. 3rd and 4th Brigades. Then there is the 173rd out of Alaska that is currently in Iraq. There is the 2nd CR that moved to Germany and now the 2nd BDE 25th ID in Hawaii. At the same time the PA NG is being fielded, slowly but surely.
Ric
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Posted: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 04:30 AM UTC
you have 5/2 standing up also. i saw the MGS's back in 2000 when we were supposed to get them in 3/2 (SBCT-1). we didnt have them when i was with 1/25 (SBCT-2). we went and tested them in sept 06. seemed to be fine, there always things soldiers dont like. PANG's strykers have things we didnt have in the first 2. it is always changing with respect to theater and how they are employed. we saw that when alaska showed up. even the SOCOM elements in Mosul had things we didnt know was available.
the kit will be a hit regardless of variant. lets all hope the after market guys catch it all.
the kit will be a hit regardless of variant. lets all hope the after market guys catch it all.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 05:10 AM UTC
who is 5/2 and where are they stationed at?
the only two BDE's that are being fielded right now is 2/25 in Hawaii, and PANG. 4/2 is being fielded the MGS, MCB and NBCRV.
I am not sure who 5/2 is, or when they are being fielded,
Ric
the only two BDE's that are being fielded right now is 2/25 in Hawaii, and PANG. 4/2 is being fielded the MGS, MCB and NBCRV.
I am not sure who 5/2 is, or when they are being fielded,
Ric
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