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Armor/AFV: Axis - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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AFV Club Flak 18 - ready for some paint
westcon
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Posted: Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 11:09 PM UTC
After nearly giving up on this project, I'm pleased I can finally say its ready for a nice coat of german grey paint. I just put on the black primer this morning. All in all, it builds up into a nice kit despite some overly complex steps. Let me know what you think.





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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2006 - 01:13 AM UTC
Was the complexity of the kit one of the reasons you nearly gave up on it or something else? Looks sharp waiting for its next round with the AB. I've often considered picking up this one to go along with the DML Flak 36 but haven't gotten around to that just yet.
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2006 - 01:27 AM UTC
Why did you get frustrated with it during construction? I ask because I have one on the shelf ready to start.
thanks
westcon
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2006 - 11:59 AM UTC
Thanks for the replies. The biggest problem I had with the kit was some ejector pin marks in some extremely hard to reach places, and a few areas I thought were uneccesarily complicated. . .not to mention all the time I spent crawling around on the carpet looking for lost pieces :-). I've also built DML's Flak 36, and after building both I'd say theres no reason not to get both kits. Theres actually a lot of noticeable differences between the flak 18 and 36, especially in the trailers. Both really do build up into spectacular kits though.

Hopefully I can have some new pics up in the next few days of my progress.
james84
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2006 - 12:02 PM UTC
Seems nice and detailed! Is it OOB?
ericadeane
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2006 - 07:36 PM UTC

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Thanks for the replies. The biggest problem I had with the kit was some ejector pin marks in some extremely hard to reach places, and a few areas I thought were uneccesarily complicated. . .not to mention all the time I spent crawling around on the carpet looking for lost pieces :-). I've also built DML's Flak 36, and after building both I'd say theres no reason not to get both kits. Theres actually a lot of noticeable differences between the flak 18 and 36, especially in the trailers. Both really do build up into spectacular kits though.

Hopefully I can have some new pics up in the next few days of my progress.



Looks great! I'm almost done with my Flak 36 and I'm well aware of the differences between the 18 and the 36. If you hold on, I've got an article that will be published in the next Boresight magazine explaining (hopefully clearly) the differences between the 18, 36 and 37 8.8cm Flak guns.

I expect that it'll be on the website at some future point.

If in the meantime people have a question, feel free to contact me. Rgrds, RC
kevinb120
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 05:28 AM UTC

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. .not to mention all the time I spent crawling around on the carpet looking for lost pieces :-). progress.



I have silver/grey carpet so I feel your pain there!

If someone's looking for a 'snack' arty build, that definately aint' the kit. It will look awesome all painted up!
DT61
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 05:56 AM UTC
Looks great and makes me want to start mine! Looking forward to seeing it with a coat of gray.

Darryl
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 06:18 AM UTC
One 88 more to buy. Seeing these kits here, in armorama, really takes a toll on my budget. Ignorance is bliss
TacFireGuru
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 07:04 AM UTC
Brian,

Personally, I think it looks great. Nice detail and all. I'm more into US Artillery right now, but when I branch out to "others," the 88 is one I want! And, I'm a fan of AFV Club....so.......I like!

Wierd, but in black that thing looks "wicked!!!"

Mike
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 01:07 PM UTC
Thanks for all the comments.

Yeh its built completely OOB, with these newer 88 kits that have been coming out, in my opinion theres really not much need for any PE.

Looking forward to the article Roy. Forgive my ignorance but whats Boresight magazine?

Heh and I know after this, whenever I do build myself a hobby room their will be no carpet on the floor.

I'm hoping I'll have time to take some updated pics tomorrow, now that its been painted dark grey. The weathering will be kept to a minimum on this kit as its going to represent an 88 used in the french campaign early in the war.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 11:05 PM UTC

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The weathering will be kept to a minimum on this kit as its going to represent an 88 used in the french campaign early in the war.



You know, you can see guns and other artillery pieces weathered the same way as tanks and other AFV, because many people forget (even the "masters of modellbuilding") that an 88 will not crash trhough buildings, will not get muddy, and generally, it will not be subject as much abuse as their "mobile friends". Even the dust picked up during transit was cleaned off once the gun was deployed. Not to mention that the crew had better chance to maintain their equipment. (Although tanks were repainted, repaired regularly, too, so there was not really much mud, rust, oil and soot accumulating...) So I guess the cleaner the better I'm looking forward to see more photos.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 02:32 AM UTC

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The weathering will be kept to a minimum on this kit as its going to represent an 88 used in the french campaign early in the war.



You know, you can see guns and other artillery pieces weathered the same way as tanks and other AFV, because many people forget (even the "masters of modellbuilding") that an 88 will not crash trhough buildings, will not get muddy, and generally, it will not be subject as much abuse as their "mobile friends". Even the dust picked up during transit was cleaned off once the gun was deployed. Not to mention that the crew had better chance to maintain their equipment. (Although tanks were repainted, repaired regularly, too, so there was not really much mud, rust, oil and soot accumulating...) So I guess the cleaner the better I'm looking forward to see more photos.



Towed guns would get a dirty as their prime mover. it may not crash through buildigs but would get muddy and dusty
spongya
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Posted: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 03:35 AM UTC
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Even the dust picked up during transit was cleaned off once the gun was deployed. Not to mention that the crew had better chance to maintain their equipment.



Towed guns would get a dirty as their prime mover. it may not crash through buildigs but would get muddy and dusty



Don't mean to start an argument, but there's the answer above.
Towing is usually done mostly on roads. Tanks get dirty when they start travelling cross-country, through ditches, mudpools, bushes and all that yazz, at the deployment stage, during battle. Even tanks don't get too dirty during roadmarch, and they were (and are) cleaned as soon as they reached their assembly point. (There have been countless discussions about this subject, and it generally boils down to this: tanks did not last usually for so long for rust to be appearing, and they were regurarly cleaned, and damage repainted by their crew, as it was important for the morale not to use run-down looking equipment.)
The guns are pre-deplyed in fortified positions -that means they have less tear-and-wear during their lifetime, and more chance for maintance. Once things get hot (the front gets too close) they are either removed, destroyed or captured. But not stratched, muddied and oiled from head to toe. Just look at any war-time photos in any of the books about artillery and the 88s particulary. No paintchips (paint did not really chipped, anyway), no visible mud-build up. All the guns look like they just came out of the factory. (Many of these photos are propaganda photos, but not all.)
westcon
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Posted: Friday, November 03, 2006 - 07:36 AM UTC
Well, heres the latest pics of my progress. I've got the majority of the tools painted now and have to add those still, as well as adding a bit of dust and weathering. The decals were a bit of a dissapointment, as one tore apart while i was putting it on. . .nothing that cant be fixed I guess. Lucky for me, the version of the kit I chose to depict only required 2 decals.

Once again, all comments are welcome.



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Posted: Friday, November 03, 2006 - 08:14 AM UTC
Very nice! Nice and clean build. Are you going to attach it to something?

cheers
swingbowler
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Posted: Friday, November 03, 2006 - 08:53 AM UTC
hi Brian,
looking real nice! I have the 88s waiting for me in my stash, still deciding which one to build for next year's jabo campaign. i'll know who to ask for help if I run into any trouble during my build
barron
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Posted: Friday, November 03, 2006 - 08:35 PM UTC
good looking build.
westcon
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2006 - 06:36 AM UTC
Thanks for the comments, Right now my plan is to attach it to Tamiyas old Sdkfz 7, though hopefully sometime in the near future someone will come out with a modern kit of the Sdkfz 7. After this build I'm itching to start another artillery kit (I just ordered DML's Flak 37).
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2006 - 01:30 PM UTC
Brian, yes, it's looking good at the moment.

Regarding towing vehicles, with the lack of a (worthy) Sd kfz7, i'm going off on a rather unusual direction with the Flak 18 and 36. I'm waiting for the (late) M8 HS Tractor from HobbyBoss.. No, I haven't actually lost it completely. The Flak 18 and 36s were actually used here, Spain, as part of coastal defences until the 1970s and one of their prime-movers was the M8 HS tractor. I've got loads of images of this 'original' combo along with the Flak 36 AA missile conversion
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2006 - 07:27 PM UTC
Can you please share these images? I'd be very interested to see them.

Thank you

Andras
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2006 - 07:34 PM UTC
I was wondering why you used black as a primer? Very nice build BTW
westcon
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 03:46 AM UTC
Thanks again for the comments. The reason I used black as primer for this model is to provide a pre-shading effect, which really works well for these dark german grey paint schemes.

Anyways, everything is done now, I'm just waiting for the paint to dry before i put on a final dull coat, and take some pics for this months MOM competition
westcon
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Posted: Monday, November 13, 2006 - 12:38 AM UTC
Just a quick update, finished pics can now be seen here:

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/87904&page=1
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