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M134 minigun
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2006 - 07:12 PM UTC
Does anyone know if the m134 minigun was used in Iraq, f.i. on an guntruck and if so are there any photos'?

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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2006 - 07:23 PM UTC
Check out the first Humvee in this video
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2006 - 07:41 PM UTC
Yep, as the video shows. I was actually going to reference Jesse James' visit (Al thanks for the link, I've been looking for that clip for a while). I don't know how common they are. How easily is this a requisitionable item? I'm assuming this has an NSN.

Also what is the spotlight at the beginning of the spotlight. Is it a white light or IR?

Also note the M240 with handle grips to the rear. That is a lot of firepower for a single humvee. Not only that but does anyone know if the modifications have any kind of standard to them? They look rather well done as opposed to the ad hoc hillbilly upgrades seen so vividly in 04-05.

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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2006 - 08:16 PM UTC
I wonder how they manage to keep that minigun fed. With the incredible rate of fire it has, the cabin has to be loaded with ammo. I know if I was an insurgent and saw a Humvee with a minigun, Id probably drop my RPG and surrender just looking at it LOL Youre not going to outrun that thing
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2006 - 08:39 PM UTC
From a previous thread on Armorama (Flickr.com picture) :


The thread is HERE

HTH
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Posted: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 02:19 AM UTC
Are they USAF?
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Posted: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 04:24 AM UTC
The video link Al posted suggest that these minigun-armed GMWs belonged to the Rangers.

The SUV minigun Jesse James fired in "Minigun vs. Car" on the side menu is in fact made by a company that outfits SUVs with a minigun in the rear. Rumor has it that the Secret Service and some Middle Eastern VIP convoy escorts use this weapon in some SUVs.

What's nice to see in the video is soldiers say a minigun's barrels almost hardly wear out and hardly overheat because the rotation gives the barrel enough time to cool before the next round is fired. As the video shows, the constant firing seems to support this belief. The minigun will most likely run out of ammo before the barrels overheat.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 09:43 AM UTC
does any one know how much rounds of ammo do blackhawks carry?
bankmannl
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Posted: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 01:48 PM UTC
Thanks guys for the comments, !!
Great video, Al !!


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Posted: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 03:06 PM UTC
Dear All
i am looking for the calbing of the minigun i didnot find anz TM or pictures
Does any one have close up picture of these ?

thanks in advance
Seb
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Posted: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 06:24 PM UTC
Gary
That's it ??
:-)
Ok well thanks
anf other question I bought the M134 from Legend,
Where I can find the exterior belt for the ammon belt as you can see on your picture Gary ??
Does PE kit exist for it ??

Thanks in advance
seb
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Posted: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 11:57 PM UTC
Yeah I've been looking for that too, but with no luck, so I think that ur gonna have to scratch build the feed, it shoudln't be to hard with a little practice.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 12:01 AM UTC
You have to think out of the box, men. There are a couple sources for the ammo feed belts in 1/35 helo accessories.

Eduard has a PE feed belt in their 1/35 MH-60G interior set. Cobra Company has some in rubber in their UH-1N Weapons Set. Chris at CC wil sell them separately though.
Matt890
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 12:06 AM UTC
well thanks for tellin me that and how can I contact Chris, does he have a website?
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 12:09 AM UTC
http://www.cobracompany.com

Look under 1/35, than scroll down to UH-1N Weapons Set. He has an email link on the main page too.
He also has full M-134 set-ups in the XM-93 Automatic Gun System mounts as well. They include both feed and discharge chutes, plus all the other parts.
Matt890
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 12:34 AM UTC
Thanks a lot
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 12:35 AM UTC
I cant remember where I saw it (because it was a few years ago), but I recall someone building a black hawk and using plastic twist ties to simulate the feed belt for the mini guns. they had left the smooth side towards the bottom and displayed the "teeth" of the twist ties upward to simulate the detail of the belt. All in all, it was pretty believable. Not necessarily perfect, but effective (and cheap too!) Almost forgot, they used a curling iron to bend the ties into position as they can be stiff and straight to start with. Hope that helps
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 03:23 AM UTC
Gino
Again thanks for the tips
much appreciate
seb
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 05:10 AM UTC

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does any one know how much rounds of ammo do blackhawks carry?



Can't find the link, but I remember reading somewhere that the DAP carries 6,000 rounds as a standard. However this doesn't seem right as it says here ( http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=564759) and on a few other sites that the standard ammo container for the M134 holds up to 4,000 rounds. I can't really imagine any crew chief allowing a half full ammo can on his chopper when he can take a full one.

Sorry I can't find a better number, but depending on mission length, weight of mission equipment on the chopper already, extra fuel tanks or anything else you can imagine, they may carry more or less ammo.
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Posted: Friday, November 10, 2006 - 06:46 PM UTC

Quoted Text

does any one know how much rounds of ammo do blackhawks carry?



From a USAF HH-60G Crew Chief doing SAR in Alaska...

"The center ammo bins/cans have a max capacity of 4500 rds for each gun (total 9000 rds). The only time we ever carry max ammo like that was when we were doing gun training/qual. For CSAR in A-stan or Iraq we usually carry 2000 rds per gun (4000 total). This is with the center bins/cans and GAU-2Bs (M-134s). BTW, our 7.62mm link comes in 1500 rd cans as well. We link it together when we put it in the center bins."

That should answer your question.
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 03:22 AM UTC
Great site. Thanks.
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 05:20 AM UTC
Rate of fire on the mini-guns, not the rotating barrels dictates how fast a gun will burn out(although the rotating barrels do help cooling. Max rate of fire on a mini-gun is 6,000 rounds per minute. Most guns step down the rate of fire to a more reasonable rate and also help conserve ammo, since very few aircraft or vehicles can carry a lot of ammo because of the weight
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