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Sin filters?
ixslashxi
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Posted: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 07:46 PM UTC
Hi all
got my Mig's FAQ book today,in it he suggests to use a premade filter called The Filter by a company named Sin...
has anybody tryed it?
where can i get it on line?

help would be much appreciated



chears
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Posted: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 07:57 PM UTC
Hi there Michael.

I also looked this up and the only thing I could find is that Sin Industries is a new company getting started and that Mig Productions is the only place i've seen any mention of them so far.

Here is the LInk.

Sin Industries listing on Mig productions website

also the only filter set that seems available is this The German Filters set listed price is 13 Euro's.

There is also an excellent article explaining Filters by Mig at the following link.

The Filter by Mig Jemenze

hope this helps..
Tojo72
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Posted: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 09:33 PM UTC
Got mine from spruebrothers,it is an extremely thin enamel wash that has the effect of blending camo patterns,on one color projects it alters the color depending on how many applications you use.I liked the effectit left.
ixslashxi
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Posted: Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 06:54 AM UTC
Hi
thanx a lot , i visited spruebros. and didnt find it can anyone give me a direct link for it ?

thanx

mrm1944
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Posted: Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 05:39 PM UTC
Hi,

You can also get these filters from Modelsforsale.com here in the UK.

The link is:

http://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/index.php?cName=paints-glues-etc-pigment-colours

I've not used them yet, but hope this helps.

Mark
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Posted: Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 05:46 PM UTC
www.spruebrothers.com...........under mig pigments
ixslashxi
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Posted: Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 05:54 PM UTC
hay thanx Mark ill get 'em there...

Anthony i looked for it and didnt find it ,found the pigments and the oils but no filter...

maybe thay had it and no more , thanx though...
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Posted: Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 06:42 AM UTC
Wouldn't filters prepared by you be cheaper? (And easier?)
I'm asking because I'm new to armor (relatively), and always learning...
Filters should be easy enough. Are there any reasons to buy them?
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Posted: Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 09:58 AM UTC
Yes, you can make your own. About 5% enamel and 95% thinner. I have made my own and used the Sin Filters. I am happy with both. I use them to bring my base color to the hue and warmth/coolness I want before Futuring, decaling and weathering. Works for me.
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Posted: Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 10:20 AM UTC
Yes, that's my pointm too. I mean, having different colored pigments is better than the chalk I use (can't afford MIG pigments), but I can do fine with mixing colors. Same goes with paint. But filters are so easy, I'd think it makes more sense to make them.
(The "correct" filtering is still a mistery though. What colors to use and how many... even after reading MIG's marvelous article. It comes with practice I guess.)
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Posted: Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 05:07 PM UTC
hello gusy...here some explanations about filters:

When I decided to create the SIN FILTERS, is because I was tired to make the same mixes for my models each time. Also, each day I prepared a new mix with different ratio, and never was the same with each model.

So..tired of this continue preparation, I decided to make it in large quantity for all my models, and....I used to share with other 8if others have the same problem than me)

of course it jsut make easy the modelling life, save time and problems...that's all.

Specially if anyone have problem mixing colors, or fining the right thinner, then it could be a soluction.

In fact , this SIN FILTERS is a soluction or a kind of help, but NEVER "a must" or DUTY.

This is why I recomend to all who have hability mixing colors or that have a very good thinner: DO by your self!!!!!

It must be easy if you follow the instructions or article guide. Not complicate.

But if you haven't enought time, or problems with your thinner, or you aren't enought good choosing the right color, it will help you a little.


In the begining we thought that a "car" must help us to move our self from a point to other place. But now....Acondiciner Air, MP3 player, GPS, Airbag, leather seats, electric windows......make our life easier cand more confortable.
This is Sin Filtres.

I hope it help.

ALl the best

MIG

PS. About which color to use for each case, I must write another article, because is the main problem, very common.
Sin industries Filters explain which kind of filter for which kind of base color. If we made by our self...you must ask this one to you:

1) How is my base color??? (too light, too dark, too bright, too dead, too poor

2) What we pretend to get filtering or model??' More variety, more rich surface, more union, more bright color, more dead color, more green look, more grey look, more subtil camo....

3) Then, what colors must I choose to get my desire look??

Example:

Add ocre or yellow filters to a green sherman where the base color is too dead green, or light green.
Yellow filter + Grey-poor-dead green = brightnest green, more life!

MIG
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Posted: Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 06:54 PM UTC
Yeah we need to get these in the US. I have seen them used in various articles and I like the effect--a lot ! I am too afraid/lazy to mix my own stuff and experiment. I would rather just have it ready to go. MIG pigments are excellent so I would expect the same quality for the Filter.
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Posted: Monday, December 04, 2006 - 02:47 AM UTC
Mig, thanks for your response. I know I for one would enjoy another article from you describing which colored filters to use on which colored subjects. thanks for your efforts.


Sean
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