Hi guys.
Havn't posted on these forums for a while
For christams i am getting a Dragon King tiger and i wish to put zimmeret on it. I was wondering what the best way to do this is, ie tools and the materials needed. Thanks alot in advance.
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 02:35 AM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 02:40 AM UTC
You have a number of options.
Photo etched metal sets
Resin sets
Putty, epoxy or toluane based, with either a fine saw blade or a set of Tamiya PE stailess steel
SOlderring iron.
The first tiwo options are obviously the easiest but most costly.
Putty is a bit tedious and
A soldering iron would be most tedious and demanding with the possibility of doing damage to the model.
Photo etched metal sets
Resin sets
Putty, epoxy or toluane based, with either a fine saw blade or a set of Tamiya PE stailess steel
SOlderring iron.
The first tiwo options are obviously the easiest but most costly.
Putty is a bit tedious and
A soldering iron would be most tedious and demanding with the possibility of doing damage to the model.
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 02:47 AM UTC
Thnx. And what would be the general technique for applying zimmeret to a model tank?
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 03:03 AM UTC
Have a look at Cavalier zimmerit - its super thin latex/resin? and the surface detail is just stunning.
A full article about zim is here -
https://armorama.kitmaker.net//features/30
Regards,
Lee
A full article about zim is here -
https://armorama.kitmaker.net//features/30
Regards,
Lee
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 03:14 AM UTC
Thank you very much
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 03:30 AM UTC
What would be the best product to use from this web page
http://www.netmerchants.co.uk/section.php/592/0
http://www.netmerchants.co.uk/section.php/592/0
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 04:13 AM UTC
Hi,
actually im doing my zim using milliput putty. You can have a look at the results in this topic :
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/89680&page=1
If you are interested it would be a pleasure for me to explain in a more detailed way how i did it..!
Regards
Alex
actually im doing my zim using milliput putty. You can have a look at the results in this topic :
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/89680&page=1
If you are interested it would be a pleasure for me to explain in a more detailed way how i did it..!
Regards
Alex
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 04:21 AM UTC
Yes please that would be great, i need all the advice i can get
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 10:15 AM UTC
I used the atak kit for the Porsche turret Dragon king tiger premium. It includes a completely new turret in resin, mantlet, rear hatch and even hinge covers in resin that perfectly replace the kit parts, plus the usual resin strips for the flat surfaces on the hull.
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/81683#679098
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/81683#679098
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 05:13 PM UTC
Hi Sam,
at this link you can have a look at the pictures explaining how to build your own zim..! Unfortunatly the text its in Italian...., but the pics are self explaining. If you need an help you can send me a pm and ill be happy to help you.
http://www.zimmerit.com/main/pagineweb/varie/realizzare_lo_zimmerit.htm
Regards,
Alex
at this link you can have a look at the pictures explaining how to build your own zim..! Unfortunatly the text its in Italian...., but the pics are self explaining. If you need an help you can send me a pm and ill be happy to help you.
http://www.zimmerit.com/main/pagineweb/varie/realizzare_lo_zimmerit.htm
Regards,
Alex
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 09:03 PM UTC
Thanks alot all :
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 10:39 PM UTC
What's the cost comparison between methods? I have very shallow pockets, unfortunately.
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Posted: Monday, December 18, 2006 - 05:26 AM UTC
Here is my contribution to your quest...its cheap. Hope this helps...
http://www.scalemodelworld.net//content/view/111/60/
Here is a porsche turret kit with zimm using said putty...
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v230/warthog2/KT%20Porsche/?start=0
Hope this helps too.
http://www.scalemodelworld.net//content/view/111/60/
Here is a porsche turret kit with zimm using said putty...
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v230/warthog2/KT%20Porsche/?start=0
Hope this helps too.
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Posted: Monday, December 18, 2006 - 12:25 PM UTC
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What's the cost comparison between methods? I have very shallow pockets, unfortunately.
Well, Cavalier resin Zimmerit usually runs $17.95 USD from online retailers. The Atak stuff varies, but the Zimmerit for a Porsche King Tiger (which includes an entire replacement turret) runs around $27, though you might find it cheaper from a European dealer like Jadar. Photoetch Zimmerit from Eduard is a lot cheaper, generally under $10, but it still needs putty on the edges to blend it in, and a few "mistakes" added with putty can make it look more authentic.
If you'd rather do it yourself, epoxy putty would probably run under $10 depending on brand, though Milliputt might be more these days (you get a lot, and it's imported from the UK). Tamiya Polyester Putty is thinner in consistency and easier to texture, though it's a little harder to find. The photoetch Zimmerit tools from Tamiya are around $8, and AFV Club and Lion Roar both offer roller tools, though I'm not sure how well they work. Airwaves offers a set of white metal Zimmerit stamps, if you prefer. One modeller in a magazine article suggested a plastic flea comb sold in pet shops as a simple Zimmerit texture applicator. He used plastic wall filler (sold in the UK) as his material, though I am not aware of any similar material in US hardware stores--perhaps some brand of premixed spackle is plasticized?
The hot knife technique isn't seen too often these days. It requires either a Pyrogravure (woodburning tool with a needle point) or an X-Acto Hot Knife (basically a soldering iron with a #11 blade). You scribe the grooves directly into the plastic, and you need a very steady hand. It takes quite a while, and you also risk burning yourself.
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Posted: Saturday, December 23, 2006 - 01:35 AM UTC
These are all great ideas. I am currently working on a late Tiger I and had never used any type of zimmerit on a kit before. I was advised to use a photo-etch set from Eduard and, quite honestly, am not impressed by the way it looks. It really lacks the realism that I was looking for. It is really disappointing because I had such great plans for this tank to be placed in a late war diorama. I have been reading alot about using Tamiya putty for the zimmerit, but am really unsure of myself applying it and possibly ruining another kit. How is the putty applied smoothly and without it looking caked on and uneven?
Semper Fi!
SSgt Mack
Semper Fi!
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Posted: Saturday, December 23, 2006 - 02:52 AM UTC
Time is money too, it only took about 4 hours to fully install the Atak set, seal the gaps with white glue/talc and prime it again....
I like the atak because the definitiion is extremely sharp, particularly on the mantlet and completely random...You can mimic 'damage' on the zim easilly by tearing away sections before gluing or scraping on the resin parts...This one is almost factory fresh though.
I like the atak because the definitiion is extremely sharp, particularly on the mantlet and completely random...You can mimic 'damage' on the zim easilly by tearing away sections before gluing or scraping on the resin parts...This one is almost factory fresh though.
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Posted: Saturday, December 23, 2006 - 04:21 AM UTC
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Time is money too, it only took about 4 hours to fully install the Atak set, seal the gaps with white glue/talc and prime it again....
I like the atak because the definitiion is extremely sharp, particularly on the mantlet and completely random...You can mimic 'damage' on the zim easilly by tearing away sections before gluing or scraping on the resin parts...This one is almost factory fresh though.
It looks great. But how are you going to tackle damage on the turret?
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Posted: Saturday, December 23, 2006 - 04:34 AM UTC
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These are all great ideas. I am currently working on a late Tiger I and had never used any type of zimmerit on a kit before. I was advised to use a photo-etch set from Eduard and, quite honestly, am not impressed by the way it looks. It really lacks the realism that I was looking for. It is really disappointing because I had such great plans for this tank to be placed in a late war diorama. I have been reading alot about using Tamiya putty for the zimmerit, but am really unsure of myself applying it and possibly ruining another kit. How is the putty applied smoothly and without it looking caked on and uneven?
Semper Fi!
SSgt Mack
You needn'y give up on the Tiger I. Eduard's product is not my first choice, but I have seen some impressive results on a Panzer IV J. The PE can be made to look a bit more authentic by judicious application of putty or Mr. Surfacer so it looks like a layer of hardened putty rather than a layer of corrugated metal. Be sure to fill all exposed edges to complete the illusion.
If you want to go the do-it-yourself route, the act of combing the putty with the Tamiya photetched Zimmerit comb tools will also scrape off any excess putty, so you will have an even layer when you finish. I caution against using any solvent-based putty, though, as it dries from the top down, and you end up tearing off the skin on the surface of the putty while the stuff underneath is still too liquid to hold the pattern, resulting in a goopy, useless mess. The combs work better with two-part putties, either polyester or epoxy types.
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Posted: Saturday, December 23, 2006 - 07:28 AM UTC
That Atak set looks great on the king tiger Kevin. Currently I'm in the process of adding zimmerit to my 1/35 elefant using some epoxy putty and AFV Club's zim roller. Overall, I think it looks fairly good, the biggest downside is probably the amount of time its taken me to do it. The upside of course is that its fairly cheap to do, I probably used about $4 or $5 worth of epoxy putty and AFV Club's zimm tool was fairly cheap too from what I remember. I'll try and get some pics to show soon.
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2011 - 04:35 PM UTC
i have the atak zimmerit, how do you get it off the paper? i tried a scalpel, but it didn't work, and the pattern seels to break out of the paper, but the shiny backing won't come off, or is this rook missin out onsomething?
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2011 - 04:48 PM UTC
Hi Sam, I say go for it and model your own Zimm, I've used Tamiya polyyester putty, Aves magic scult and Milliput and have to say they all work well. One nice thing about the Aves is the fact that it has a decent working time and can be easily removed if you muddle it.
One trick I've seen is using squadron putty and the textured cap as a roller. Not sure if its the right size for the king tiger but its an option to look into.
You'll be very proud when you finish your first zimm job, and the hardest part is the first smear.
Good luck and cheers!
One trick I've seen is using squadron putty and the textured cap as a roller. Not sure if its the right size for the king tiger but its an option to look into.
You'll be very proud when you finish your first zimm job, and the hardest part is the first smear.
Good luck and cheers!
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2011 - 08:38 PM UTC
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i have the atak zimmerit, how do you get it off the paper? i tried a scalpel, but it didn't work, and the pattern seels to break out of the paper, but the shiny backing won't come off, or is this rook missin out on something?
reb
What paper? Atak is simply a layer of thin resin. You cut the patterned sections out with a razor knife and glue it on with five-minute epoxy (or super glue, if you are very confident it's in exactly the right position, as superglue bonds resin in seconds).
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2011 - 09:00 PM UTC
I find mr.surfacer to be easier to get a correct thickness than millput or other putties.
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2011 - 11:11 PM UTC
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Hi Sam, I say go for it and model your own Zimm, I've used Tamiya polyyester putty, Aves magic scult and Milliput and have to say they all work well. One nice thing about the Aves is the fact that it has a decent working time and can be easily removed if you muddle it.
One trick I've seen is using squadron putty and the textured cap as a roller. Not sure if its the right size for the king tiger but its an option to look into.
You'll be very proud when you finish your first zimm job, and the hardest part is the first smear.
Good luck and cheers!
This is a five year old thread and while I'm not against threads being resurrected if the info is useful it's pointless giving advice to the original poster as he hasn't posted on Armorama since 2007.
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Posted: Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 01:43 AM UTC
i was referring to the shiny surface on the back of the zimmerit. apparently my lack of knowledge on the subject is showing. i didn't know if it came off or not. i guess it doesn't. thank you for the information.
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