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Cyber-Hobby Panther F PREVIEW
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Posted: Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 07:23 AM UTC
A preview of the Panther F by Cyber-Hobby/DML. A 2-in-1 kit that allows you to either build the prototype or the production type. Paper panzer? You decide.

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If you have comments or questions please post them here.

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Posted: Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 09:10 AM UTC
Cool, I like the video too
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Posted: Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 09:26 AM UTC
Nice review!

One question I have though, why advertise steel wheels only to pack plastic wheels like any other kit? I think everyone knows that the "real thing" has steel wheels. Oh well, still nice review and now I might pick one up.
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Posted: Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 12:08 PM UTC
I have already been informed that the "steel wheels" I was talking about in the video were in fact the rubber wheels. The only roadwheels I see that don't look like they have a rubber surround are the 8 (4 per side) center wheels.

I have added a photo of the instruction page for the roadwheels if anyone would like to see it.

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Jim
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Posted: Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 03:50 PM UTC

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Nice review!

One question I have though, why advertise steel wheels only to pack plastic wheels like any other kit? I think everyone knows that the "real thing" has steel wheels. Oh well, still nice review and now I might pick one up.

Well, Jentz and Doyle have dug up a German document from 1944 that suspended the use of steel wheels on Panthers because they caused too many breakages of the centerguide teeth. It was intended that they be reintroduced after a beefed-up track with a single centerguide on alternating links was designed, but this never happened. For a vehicle that might have been assembled in the early summer of 1945, the kit would be fine. In the longer term (a "1946" vehicle), steel wheels arranged in staggered pairs (not interleaved) with a new track design would theoretically be correct, though the exact appearance of the track is anyone's guess.
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Posted: Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 06:45 PM UTC
Oh I got you. Thanks for clearing that up for me guys!

Jim
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Posted: Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 08:23 PM UTC
Great review, Jim. I really like that video part and the poll asking if the review was helpful or not. Neat little interactive things like that make the review in my opinion.

Cant wait to get my Cyber-Hobby Panther Ausf F ! Has anyone else gotten theirs yet ? or recieved the illusive email confirmation from Dragon USA Online yet ?

"Paperpanzer" or not, this kit looks awesome. I liked it enough to order 2 kits

Cheers !!

Robert
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Posted: Friday, February 16, 2007 - 12:44 AM UTC

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Well, Jentz and Doyle have dug up a German document from 1944 that suspended the use of steel wheels on Panthers because they caused too many breakages of the centerguide teeth. It was intended that they be reintroduced after a beefed-up track with a single centerguide on alternating links was designed, but this never happened. For a vehicle that might have been assembled in the early summer of 1945, the kit would be fine. In the longer term (a "1946" vehicle), steel wheels arranged in staggered pairs (not interleaved) with a new track design would theoretically be correct, though the exact appearance of the track is anyone's guess.


Gerald, do you think this new configuration would have been similar to the E50, or to the Panther II layout?

Regards from the Swamp

Eth
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Posted: Friday, February 16, 2007 - 05:27 AM UTC
The intended wheel layout (though not necessarily the spacing) would have resembled that of the Panther II prototype or the Tiger II. The E-50 was a paper project, so it's difficult to say what a finished vehicle would have looked like.
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Posted: Friday, February 16, 2007 - 07:37 AM UTC
Awesome
The video reviews are a good direction -but please get a macro lens for the camera... Maybe complete builds could be done like this...
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Posted: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 03:11 AM UTC
How did you paint this? I've been struggling with the distictive Daimler Benz standar paint.
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