I know everyone has an opinion and I'm interested in yours!
Specifically - your opinion on Woodland scenics EZ Water. It's the beads you heat up and melt and then pour into your diorama.
I saw one recent post that said it was on the yellow side. Well I am testing it and honestly am dissapointed with my test. It does appear on the yellow side in my test. Now, my test is only about 2"x1.5". My diorama is going to be a 4" wide 5" long .25" deep creek.
I asked Pickleman what he thought and he went the yellow route.
Who else has used this and (be honest) what's been your experience.
I know I've got other options - I've got resin that I can pour and be done. I'm just trying to evaluate EZWater and give it an honest shot.
Thanks everyone.
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EZ Water Opinion
slodder
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Posted: Monday, March 03, 2003 - 12:29 PM UTC
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Posted: Monday, March 03, 2003 - 02:40 PM UTC
Hi Slodder,
I ve tried EZ water before and it just doesnt seem to work for me. Firstly the need to heat it poses a lot of problems especially when you re trying to work with plastic stuff. Secondly you need to be extremely careful in your application or else there would be cracks among layers. Once poured it s very difficult to try and create small ripples/wave in the water due to the heat and because it dries too fast. In lieu of these problems I would rather stick with gloss varnish to create water..............
I ve tried EZ water before and it just doesnt seem to work for me. Firstly the need to heat it poses a lot of problems especially when you re trying to work with plastic stuff. Secondly you need to be extremely careful in your application or else there would be cracks among layers. Once poured it s very difficult to try and create small ripples/wave in the water due to the heat and because it dries too fast. In lieu of these problems I would rather stick with gloss varnish to create water..............
Matrix
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Posted: Monday, March 03, 2003 - 03:35 PM UTC
Hey, I have used the EZ water before and it was yellow for me too. After a few years it became brittle and actualy cracked and fell off of my base. I personaly dont like the stuff. I would stick with the resin you have.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 12:49 AM UTC
I may be wrong here but I thought ez water was for railroad scenery. If thats the case, it was never meant to be up-scaled and used in 1/35th.
Might I suggest Scenic Water: A re-meltable, slightly soft material from Deluxe Materials which is designed to simulate water. 100ml tub. This, I have used, and looks very good. Creating ripples is no problem, you wait until it starts to go off and use a wet spoon to do your thang!
Might I suggest Scenic Water: A re-meltable, slightly soft material from Deluxe Materials which is designed to simulate water. 100ml tub. This, I have used, and looks very good. Creating ripples is no problem, you wait until it starts to go off and use a wet spoon to do your thang!
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 12:59 AM UTC
Well guys - I slept on it - I considered your feedback (Thanks) and the stuff is just wayyyy to yellow.
I'll be pouring resin. Crystal clear. Yea - the EZ water is designed for RR stuff. Even my test pond of 1"x2" and .25" deep was really yellow .
I had gotten the stuff on sale 50% off - you get what you pay for. Now it's time to get creative and see what I CAN use it for.
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I'll be pouring resin. Crystal clear. Yea - the EZ water is designed for RR stuff. Even my test pond of 1"x2" and .25" deep was really yellow .
I had gotten the stuff on sale 50% off - you get what you pay for. Now it's time to get creative and see what I CAN use it for.
Thanks for the feedback guys.
Desert-Fox
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 01:58 AM UTC
Can't you add watercolour browns, or food colouring to make muddy / swamp water? You don't have to waste your money then!
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 04:30 AM UTC
I'm not crazy about EZ... besides the tinted color, it also remains "soft" for life... my son laid a ccoin on mine which I didn't discover for about 6 months. When i picked the coin up, I had a nice little impression of a Lincoln Penny in my water. Had to heat it back up with a match to smooth it back out. Fortunately, it wasn't near any plastic pieces that might have also melted.
What I DO recommend however is a wonderful product called EnviroTex "pour On" (see photo and link below). It is a two-part clear resin that mixes easily, and cures in 4-6 hours. The beauty is that it not only shines like really good water, but can also be "rippled". And because it is a slow cure resin, all the bubbles have time to rise and you wind up with a really solid pour of "water". Cost about $15US for an 8 OZ kit, but that goes a LOOOONG way. You can do several large water scenes with that much. As an interesting note... I had a small amount left over after a pour and used it to cast some furniture molds I had.... came out super detailed and painted very well! Find EnviroTex at most any major arts & crafts chain (Michael, Hobby Lobby, etc.)
What I DO recommend however is a wonderful product called EnviroTex "pour On" (see photo and link below). It is a two-part clear resin that mixes easily, and cures in 4-6 hours. The beauty is that it not only shines like really good water, but can also be "rippled". And because it is a slow cure resin, all the bubbles have time to rise and you wind up with a really solid pour of "water". Cost about $15US for an 8 OZ kit, but that goes a LOOOONG way. You can do several large water scenes with that much. As an interesting note... I had a small amount left over after a pour and used it to cast some furniture molds I had.... came out super detailed and painted very well! Find EnviroTex at most any major arts & crafts chain (Michael, Hobby Lobby, etc.)
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 06:50 AM UTC
Hey guys,
Woodlan Scenics has 2 new products out. They are both in liquad form and come in a bottle. One is like the EZ Water and the other is for making water effects like ripples and such. I've just used the the water material and it is awsome. It just pours out of the bottle and dries in about 24 hours. The olny down fall is that you have to pour it in 1/8 layers. I havnt used the water effects stuff yet, but the shop where I work at, guys havnt complained about it yet. Has soon as I am finnished with the dio, I will take pictures of it with this new product.
But I do agree about the EZ Water, since you have to heat it up, it does make it difficult to work around plastic.
I will get the exact name of the 2 products and the product numbers, or can some one just place the limk here later?
Woodlan Scenics has 2 new products out. They are both in liquad form and come in a bottle. One is like the EZ Water and the other is for making water effects like ripples and such. I've just used the the water material and it is awsome. It just pours out of the bottle and dries in about 24 hours. The olny down fall is that you have to pour it in 1/8 layers. I havnt used the water effects stuff yet, but the shop where I work at, guys havnt complained about it yet. Has soon as I am finnished with the dio, I will take pictures of it with this new product.
But I do agree about the EZ Water, since you have to heat it up, it does make it difficult to work around plastic.
I will get the exact name of the 2 products and the product numbers, or can some one just place the limk here later?
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 07:17 AM UTC
I have also just purchased the woodland scenics Realistic Water and Water Effects....
It is clear and you just pour it in 1/8" layers, then produce ripples, etc with th ewater effects. as soon as i use it, I will let you know how it works out, but all that I have read about it has been positive
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It is clear and you just pour it in 1/8" layers, then produce ripples, etc with th ewater effects. as soon as i use it, I will let you know how it works out, but all that I have read about it has been positive
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 07:19 AM UTC
I have also just purchased the woodland scenics Realistic Water and Water Effects....
It is clear and you just pour it in 1/8" layers, then produce ripples, etc with th ewater effects. as soon as i use it, I will let you know how it works out, but all that I have read about it has been positive
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Robert
It is clear and you just pour it in 1/8" layers, then produce ripples, etc with th ewater effects. as soon as i use it, I will let you know how it works out, but all that I have read about it has been positive
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Robert
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 07:27 AM UTC
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I have also just purchased the woodland scenics Realistic Water and Water Effects....
It is clear and you just pour it in 1/8" layers, then produce ripples, etc with th ewater effects. as soon as i use it, I will let you know how it works out, but all that I have read about it has been positive
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I have both. Have only used the Realistic Water. It works very well.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 08:04 AM UTC
I have also just purchased the woodland scenics Realistic Water and Water Effects....
It is clear and you just pour it in 1/8" layers, then produce ripples, etc with th ewater effects. as soon as i use it, I will let you know how it works out, but all that I have read about it has been positive
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Robert
It is clear and you just pour it in 1/8" layers, then produce ripples, etc with th ewater effects. as soon as i use it, I will let you know how it works out, but all that I have read about it has been positive
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Robert
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 08:25 AM UTC
I spent a lot of money for buying it, having it shipped and take it out from customs to have something not that workable and turning yellow almost immediately. I did not experienced like others cracks, but I'm back to clear varnish...
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 08:35 AM UTC
Chief:
I'm new to useing E-Z but two months ago I poured my first pond using E-Z WATER.
It looks fine but I painted my plaster base blue & added blue powdered dye before pouring so if it does turn yellow it might look green. But it was obvious I could not put anything plastic in before pouring.What I liked about it was it is fast harding,were realistic water takes 24 hr.,but gor now I;m running experiments with water effects right now(that also takes 24 hr. to dry). It's scarry but good luck.
I'm new to useing E-Z but two months ago I poured my first pond using E-Z WATER.
It looks fine but I painted my plaster base blue & added blue powdered dye before pouring so if it does turn yellow it might look green. But it was obvious I could not put anything plastic in before pouring.What I liked about it was it is fast harding,were realistic water takes 24 hr.,but gor now I;m running experiments with water effects right now(that also takes 24 hr. to dry). It's scarry but good luck.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 12:35 PM UTC
Like I said, why dont you boys add a colour to the EZ water and use as a dirty pond/swamp.....don't worry about it...do it. don't waste your money. I think Boosahmer (or whatever) **hic** is a bit repetitive....lol
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 07:35 PM UTC
I used EZ for a small wet and muddy area,the result was satisfactory.then used it in a larger one,call it a nitemare.
Best regards
Graywolf
Best regards
Graywolf
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 10:33 PM UTC
Thank you to everyone who added to this thread.
Lots of good feedback, lot of good ideas. I am going to pour resin for my creek, and use EZ for mud, puddles, small things and use coloring in it.
Cheers
Lots of good feedback, lot of good ideas. I am going to pour resin for my creek, and use EZ for mud, puddles, small things and use coloring in it.
Cheers