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M4A3 Sherman - Work in Progress
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Posted: Monday, February 26, 2007 - 04:25 PM UTC
Hi guys,
Decided to start a WIP thread for my Sherman as I seem to be able to take photos of it at regular intervals (When I'm not at work i'm building my kit and rarely think to pause to take photos!) but I value your opinion on how you think i'm doing and am always open to suggestions, particularly on this M4A3 as I am by no means an expert when it comes to Shermans!

So here are the pics.....



The kit in it's early stage's, weld beads have been raised with putty cement, replaced engine acces door handles with brass wire and added the door rests from spare plastic. The tow cable was built using picture wire and some 'end hooks' from an M26 dragon wagon set thats half built in my spares box.
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Posted: Monday, February 26, 2007 - 04:28 PM UTC
Suspension and wheels now complete:


Close up of the front left bogie showing 'obligatory' replacement road wheel, and showing the holes I filled behind the drive sprocket.


Shot of the rear where you can see how i've filled the back of the return roller wheels and added tow hooks onto the brackets (yes they are purposefully a slightly different shape) Exhausts not added yet as they will be painted seperately after spraying.


A better shot of the engine deck, showing raised weld beads, replacement handles and added engine door rests
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Posted: Monday, February 26, 2007 - 04:31 PM UTC
Shots of all 4 sides of the build so far:



Note thinned exhasut deflector in this shot.


Note added tow ring on front right lifting hook in this shot.
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Posted: Monday, February 26, 2007 - 04:42 PM UTC
The PE infection has begun!


Overview of the build so far, I mostly concentrated on the turret as you can see.


Front of the turret. You can see the cheek bulge that was made from sheet styrene and putty cement (Thankyou Roy and Brad for giving me the confidence to do this - it was much easier than I thought!) and the various PE added.


Another view of the bulge and a rail I added from wire that will be used to hold stowage on the finished kit. I snapped the Eduard commanders sighting vane and so had to scratch-build my own from spare PE.


The rear of the turret and a good shot to see the periscope and leather pad I added to the inside of the hatch. After doing this I am having second thoughts on whether to leave the hatch open as I'm not 100% pleased with the look of it.


The left side of the turret showing where I blended in the edges of the pistol port (thanks for spotting that Brad!

Thats all so far, will try and keep you posted as best I can with more pics.
Hope you like the build so far!

James
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Posted: Monday, February 26, 2007 - 04:55 PM UTC
James,

Looking good so far. Keep us posted on your progress.
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Posted: Monday, February 26, 2007 - 06:51 PM UTC
Gday James
No worries on the asistance, but bear in mind I may be a pest now...
Looks as though you are really forging on here!
The effort is showing, although there are a couple of things to touch on...
Your 'vane' sight looks as though it is one solid piece? If you still have the kit vane, have a look at how there is a horizontal join at the midway point, where the top half is attached to the inside of the lower...It also should sit square when viewed side-on...
Also the hatch handles are maybe a smidgeon too large... It may be that they seem to protrude a little too much?
What have you added to the split hatch without the periscope? I can't remeber the last time I built a wet versioned Sherman, but I'm pretty sure the split hatch is the same as used on the mid production versions, and IIRC there was sometimes a square pad, but it may be slightly smaller than your addition.
Also, don't forget the periscope to be added in the front right protective housing on the turret!
There also need to be drain holes drilled into the splash guards around the fuel filler caps, air vents, etc. Easy to position, as flush with the hull surface, and central to the semicircles around the fuel caps; basically where it would drain the liquids that would pool there (gasoline, rainwater etc)
Gimme a hoy if you need further placement info and anything else I can pester you with
Cheers
Brad
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Posted: Monday, February 26, 2007 - 07:16 PM UTC

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Gday James
No worries on the asistance, but bear in mind I may be a pest now...
Looks as though you are really forging on here!
The effort is showing, although there are a couple of things to touch on...
Your 'vane' sight looks as though it is one solid piece? If you still have the kit vane, have a look at how there is a horizontal join at the midway point, where the top half is attached to the inside of the lower...It also should sit square when viewed side-on...
Also the hatch handles are maybe a smidgeon too large... It may be that they seem to protrude a little too much?
What have you added to the split hatch without the periscope? I can't remeber the last time I built a wet versioned Sherman, but I'm pretty sure the split hatch is the same as used on the mid production versions, and IIRC there was sometimes a square pad, but it may be slightly smaller than your addition.
Also, don't forget the periscope to be added in the front right protective housing on the turret!
There also need to be drain holes drilled into the splash guards around the fuel filler caps, air vents, etc. Easy to position, as flush with the hull surface, and central to the semicircles around the fuel caps; basically where it would drain the liquids that would pool there (gasoline, rainwater etc)
Gimme a hoy if you need further placement info and anything else I can pester you with
Cheers
Brad



Hey Brad, I'll let you be a pest so long as my Sherman comes out nice!
I know what you mean about the sighting vein, I spent that long shaping it that I didn't want to ruin it by bending it! In a few pics I have it appeared straight and I thought that it was on some tanks, i'm in need of good reference pics really! You've confused me slightly though, Should I put in two 90 degree bends like the PE one or cut it in two and glue one side against the other?
The handles probably are a bit large but these were the smallest I had. I reckon once the stowage is on there the attention will be drawn away from them and they won't look too big.
That is my version of a pad without decent refernce pics. I would kill for some pics of the inside of this type of hatch, can anyone help?
The periscope inside the protextive housing is already built and is going to be painted seperately and then installed to make my life a bit easier!
Although difficult to see in the pics, the drain holes are there so no worries!
Apart from the vane and inside hatch pics I could do with, does anyone have a pic of the (I think its a ) spotlight at the front of the turret? I presume it should have some glass or something in rather than being hollow as Tamiya would have it!

Cheers!

James
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Posted: Monday, February 26, 2007 - 11:04 PM UTC
Way to go James.

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 12:49 AM UTC
Looking very nice. I noticed a bit of a gap between the upper hull and the bolt strip for the nose in one photo. You may have corrected it in the later pics, can't tell for sure. You are getting excellent advice for your A3. Please keep us posted.

Doug
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Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 01:09 PM UTC

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You've confused me slightly though, Should I put in two 90 degree bends like the PE one or cut it in two and glue one side against the other?

The latter mate...

I'll see what ref pics I can get of the split hatch detail for you...

Kudos on the drain holes (Am I the first person on earth to use this sentence?! :-) ) and you are probably right about the handles once the extras are in place...

The spotlight has a lens tucked back about the depth that is present. The cowling should be much thinner than shown. You can also make a small cap (like a puck) which was placed on a small knob next to the spotlight base, and joined by a small chain to the light mount.



These pics aren't the best for what you need, but give you a basic shape and look... I have a couple more that may be of help in my gallery if you want to peruse...
Cheers
Brad
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Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 03:42 PM UTC
Thanks for the comments guys,

Doug, don't worry the upper and lower hull aren't attached yet so that gap will disappear when they are. Well spotted though!

Cheers for the pointers Brad, and congratulations on a world first!
I'll fix the sighting vane (so glad it's the easier of the two options!)

Not sure what you mean here though:

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The cowling should be much thinner than shown. You can also make a small cap (like a puck) which was placed on a small knob next to the spotlight base, and joined by a small chain to the light mount.


If you could explain this or show me a pic it would be much appreciated!
I had a look through your gallery and have got a much better idea of what the inside of the hatch should look like, however any pics are much appreciated!

Thanks again,

James
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Posted: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 01:26 AM UTC
Making good progress on this one james, looking forward to seeing more!
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Posted: Monday, March 05, 2007 - 09:19 PM UTC
Hi guy's,
Sorry I havn't got any update pics up recently but times have been hectic and progress has been slow, am hoping to get on it this week though and get some pics up. Have been re-building my commanders hatches after some suggestions from Brad and adding the three bolts under the bogies as Roy mentioned. Am getting there slowly!
However, I have a problem I wanted to run past you guys:

When test fitting the kit a significant gap is noticeable at the rear of the tank, making the exhaust deflector appear to 'hang' from nothing. I havn't got a great pic but those veteran Tamiya kit builders should be able to recognise what I mean from this pic:



Is there something I can do to make this less obvious? Also in my quest to answer this question through reference pics I came across this on a lot of Shermans in the area I mean:



This part is actually included in the Tamiya kit but is not specified in the instructions. Can I fit it to remove the gap or is it from a different engined/variant of sherman than the M4A3?

HELP!!!!

Cheers guys,

James
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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2007 - 05:47 PM UTC
The build is finally finished here are the pics for you guys to check out, hope you like what i've done with her!






Note the telephone for infantry-tank communication in the .30 cal box on the rear glacis here


Close up of the front shows the chains I scratch built to attch the headlight plugs to the chassis


Tools were left off to be painted seperately and so the PE straps are left open here






Close up of the turret shows another scratchbuilt chain connected to the spotlight and the details added to the hatch interior

Hope you like her boys!
As always, all comments and questions are more than welcome

James
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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2007 - 05:51 PM UTC
Couple of things I missed:

There is bluetack still on the front underside of the hull in a couple of pics where I test fitted the tow cable, whoops!

Note the spare .50 cal ammo box holder built from spare PE on the back of the turret, an idea I had for a field modification so no running out of ammo in those lengthy firefights! :-)

James
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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2007 - 06:09 PM UTC
Base coat of olive drab now in place!
Plus I managed to stop that horrible yello/orange tint to all my pictures!

James















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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2007 - 10:11 PM UTC
Looking very good James! Hurrah!

Two very small nitpicks: did you drill a sight hole above the hull .30cal MG? If so, then you should fill it back in. The hull gunner aimed with his periscope and tracer bullets. It wasn't direct-sighted.

2) the small vane atop the commander's hatch, near the periscope looks a little large. Look at this picture from Toadman's site:



I don't think there's any hesitation any longer James. You've definitely been infected with Shermanitis!
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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2007 - 11:40 PM UTC

Hhheeeyyy, nice Sherman, man! Good work! Did ya figure out the big gap problem next to the exhaust?

Waitin' to see it finished,
Cuhail
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 01:06 AM UTC
Thanks for the comments guys!
Heres an update: Have sprayed on another two coats of OD (a mixture of Tamiya XF-62 (Olive Drab) and XF-60 (Dark (Panzer) Yellow) lightening the mix with more XF-60 each time to build up a depth of colour and beginning the hull streaking effect. More work tonight and hope to get some pics up soon.

Roy - Not sure why you think i've drilled a hole above the .30 cal, I can assure you I havn't! Perhaps it's the angle of the gun (I didn't want it pointing boringly straight forward to give the impression someone is manning it) and I hollowed out the barrel of the Tamiya gun, perhaps thats what you're seeing?
The vane on the commanders hatch could well be incorrect, with my limited knowledge of Shermans I simply bunged on most of the Eduard PE in the places it suggested without checking too many references. Perhaps it could be present on some tanks and not others? The pic you posted doesn't have a gunners hatch next to the commanders so it could be a difference in turrets?

Murphy - Glad you came to check it out and see what your tip on the chains helped produce! I found a solution to the gap at the rear from the usarmy models website, however my attempt to rectift the problem left much to be desired so I've just kind of ignored it (tut tut!) If my plans for my diorama go ahead then the tank will be front end high and so it won't be noticable anyway!

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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 06:42 AM UTC
Hi James,
Nice job you're doing on the old Tamiya kit. Just one little tip for you. The sight blade on the commander's hatch that Roy mentioned actually doesn't belong on this type of Sherman. It along with the taller blade in front of it were superceded in production by the later sight with peep holes before the high bustle turret went into production. You're sight blade configuration should look something like this:


(photo from my site)

Other than that, nice job!

Chris "toadman" Hughes
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 07:43 PM UTC
Oh well never mind, to late to change it now!
My Sherman knowledge still has a long way to go I think! Nice site you have there by the way Toadman! Can't beleive I've not found it before, is definately being added to the favourites!

Here's an update, the OD is now finished as mentioned in my last post:






Hope you're loving it as much as me, I don't think the pics do it justice (if I do say myself!) this is gonna look awesome when finished!

James
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Posted: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 06:13 PM UTC
Gday James
She looking a beaut!
Good pick up by the toadster on the sighting vane... Shows how long it has been since building an M4A3
Should have picked up on its position relative to the usual, further to the turet edge. Sorry but I'm in the camp of removing it Wouldn't be too difficult right? A clean cut and a dab of OD, and bob's your uncle nudge nudge wink wink say no more
What's hooked ontot he right glacis lifting ring? Coudn't make it out in the first pic...
Keep on chooglin'
cheers
Brad
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Posted: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 08:14 PM UTC
Cheers Brad, glad you like her so far!
Did a bit more work last night and painted some of the non-OD details, like the tyres, spare tracks on the rear, commanders pads and periscope glass (just remembered I need to do the rear lights too!), hopefully be adding some transfers tonight which is my favourite part of any kit, cant wait! As always will atempt to get pics up for you guys.

As for the sighting vane, i've confused now as to whether this is the one on the turret hatch or the one infront of the periscope near the turret corner? As it goes i'm not really a big fan of removing either as both areas will require sanding after removal and I can't hope to re-create the three tones of OD I used to spray her. Sorry guys i'm obviously not a true shermanaholic like yourselves!
What you can see on the front lifting ring is a towing bracket(?) as i've seen pics of these stored here on Shermans.

Thanks again!

James
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