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Can this be pulled off???
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Posted: Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 11:52 PM UTC
I was about to throw this one away since I have used it
for a test-model... However I tested some rust and stuff
on it and it gave me an idea that it might be useful anyway.

The base will be cut open in the center and it will be filled
with mud and the tank will be sort of stuck in there...

Can it work?

Regards

Sven-Åke

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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 12:00 AM UTC
No reason why you shouldn't. It looks like a long forgotten hulk just where it should be, up to its fenders in mud!

Good job!

Regards,
L Witter
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 12:18 AM UTC

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up to its fenders in mud!



Thanks for the comment!

My idea was that the tank got stuck in the deep mud and shortly
after that it was taken out by the germans. So it has been sitting
in the same mudhole for quite some time, years to be exact...

regards

Sven-Åke
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 12:18 AM UTC
Nice Sven!

How did you make the rust?

Jurjen
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 12:24 AM UTC

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How did you make the rust?



Thanks!

I used 5 different pigment powders, 2 shades of red, one brown
and black. I applied them with the help of turpentine, water and
windowwasher fluid... I put it on the model by using a stiff and
old paintbrush.

regards

Sven-Åke
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 12:27 AM UTC
I like it! Can't wait to see it incorporated into the mudhole!
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 12:31 AM UTC

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incorporated into the mudhole!



Thanks!

Neither can I :-)

Right now I'm trying to figure out the size of the mudhole
that I need to make in the base. I need room for the little
nametag also so the hole can't be too big...

regards

Sven-Åke
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 03:55 AM UTC
That looks excellent. I noticed on one of the insert pics what I guess is suppossed to be a shell hole, the inside of it is green, which I'm guessing is the kit plastic. Might want to add some rust there as well. Gotta try all the pastels for this. Looks very convincing. Good luck with the dio. "Q"
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 06:34 AM UTC

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How did you make the rust?



Thanks!

I used 5 different pigment powders, 2 shades of red, one brown
and black. I applied them with the help of turpentine, water and
windowwasher fluid... I put it on the model by using a stiff and
old paintbrush.

regards

Sven-Åke


Sven, Could you explain the combination of turpentine, water and window washiner fluid?
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 10:58 AM UTC

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the combination of turpentine, water and window washer fluid



Sorry...

I wrote that a little wrong...

Since it was a test-model I try different things on it. I did not mix all three
liquids together but I used them separately to see each ones effect with
the pigment powders...

regards

Sven-Åke
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 11:01 AM UTC

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Greenish shell hole



Thanks!!!

I haven't noticed that...

It will be covered with some darker rust right away

Thanks for your sharp eye sight!!!

Glad you like it!

regards

Sven-Åke
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 05:45 PM UTC
Yeah, go stick in the mud I think it would work nicely.

Very good effects on the rust. I will try to copy you on that - what fluid worked the best with the powders?
Could be a nice way to incorporate an early war model with a late war one. A rusty Pz. I from the early battles in Russia next to an advancing IS-2 from Op. Bagaration. An idea for a diorama is forming.....

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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 06:44 PM UTC

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That looks excellent. I noticed on one of the insert pics what I guess is suppossed to be a shell hole, the inside of it is green, which I'm guessing is the kit plastic. Might want to add some rust there as well.



As was already mentioned the rust looks impressive. Since it is a tank that was taken out I would blacken the area around the shell hole with a black pastel a bit. Great model!
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 08:09 PM UTC
Others have already commented on the plausibility of the idea and
I canonly agree.
I would like to make one little suggestion concerning the broken
track. In the photo it is stretched forward. May I suggest that you curl
it in instead? Imagine that the track broke just beneath the sprocket
wheel, the lose end would have landed roughly beneath the sprocket
wheel and before the driver realises that the track is broken and stops
the sprocket has fed (Swedish: matat fram) some more of the track forward. If the tank kept on moving the first roadwheel would have run
over the end of the track but that requires enough "grip" in the mud to
keep going.
Doing it this way doesn't require so much "mudhole" in front of the
tank.

If the track had broken under the roadwheels the tank could possibly have moved forward and a lot of track would be curled up in front of the sprocket wheel.
/ Robin
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2007 - 01:01 AM UTC

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what fluid worked the best with the powders?



I feel that the turpentine made it stick quite well. I also added
some artist oils (raw umber) to tone it red pigments down a bit.

The window washer fluids also stuck pretty well and gave the
powders a slightly lighter shade when dried.

The water gave it the same light shade but didn't stick so well...

But still I used all three to make the effect more alive and varied.

Should I chose just one, it would be the turpentine version...

regards

Sven
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2007 - 01:06 AM UTC

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blacken the area around the shell hole



I will give it a touch up once it's in it's hole and as mentioned
earlier I will put rust in the entrance hole and as you say give
it a bit more soot around that hole too...

Thanks for your comment

regards

Sven-Åke
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2007 - 01:13 AM UTC

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the broken track.



Thanks Robin!!!

The plan from the start was just what you describe. Unfortunately
the track had nowhere to go on the flat base but now the hole is
made and the track will be nicely tucked away in the mud just
infront of the sprocket wheel. I will try to give it a little curl as you
say which I think will look a lot more cool than my original idea
of the track just disappearing straight down in the mud...

Thanks for the idea and the feedback Robin!!!
Much appreciated!!!

regards

Sven-Åke
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2007 - 01:33 AM UTC
Sven,

Great looking model you've got there. Tell me, please, what kinds of pigments you used?

Thanks,

Rob
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2007 - 01:44 AM UTC
Hi Sven. As a hulk the tank looks fantastic. Really rusty and rotten. Lovely job!
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2007 - 01:52 AM UTC

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what kinds of pigments you used?



I've used these

http://www.jerrysartarama.com/art-supply-stores/online/2780
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2007 - 01:58 AM UTC

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Really rusty and rotten.



Thankyou !!!!

I'm really glad you like it...

The effect I was looking for of a total wreck is not easy to
obtain but a few more of these rust buckets and I might
get the hang of it...

regards

Sven-Åke
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