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What vehicle is this?
Jurjen
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 12:44 AM UTC
Can someone give me the name of this, uhmmmm very large gun vehicle? :D:D
I suppose there isn't a 1:35 model of it?
Jurjen
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 12:46 AM UTC
I forget the name of the vehicle but a guy over at track-link made one from scratch in 1:35 and it was a beast!
Austin0311
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 12:49 AM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 12:51 AM UTC
Woah. Did that thing ever make it into action? That would be hilarious to have seen.
Edit: Active Link.
http://www.track-link.net/gallery/3908
Edit: Active Link.
http://www.track-link.net/gallery/3908
Removed by original poster on 03/19/07 - 02:55:49 (GMT).
Jurjen
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 12:56 AM UTC
Thanks for the very quick replies! I can now surfing the internet for some additional information.
Thanks!
Jurjen
Thanks!
Jurjen
allycat
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 12:58 AM UTC
now why did all those other posts only appear after I'd posted my drivel?
Tom
Tom
Jurjen
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 12:59 AM UTC
Hi Tom!
The pictures were taken at St.Petersburg State Museum of Artillery, Engineering and Communications Corps.
Found the photo on this Link
The pictures were taken at St.Petersburg State Museum of Artillery, Engineering and Communications Corps.
Found the photo on this Link
MonkeyGun
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 02:00 AM UTC
Hi Jurjen
The vehicle in the pic appears to be the 420mm 2B1 "Oka" a nuclear gun-mortar
Would love to see a kit of that beast
Ian
The vehicle in the pic appears to be the 420mm 2B1 "Oka" a nuclear gun-mortar
Would love to see a kit of that beast
Ian
Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 02:10 AM UTC
hi all..
did a quick serch and found the following info on the net.. don't know how accurate it is but thought I'd toss it in....
"The SM-54 KONDENSATOR-2P TRACKED ARMOURED SELF-PROPELLED GUN mounts an old soviet 406mm (naval?) gun with an range of 28 km on a tracked chassis. It was built in the late fifties as an answer to the US 280mm atomic gun. Its twin, the Oka 420mm self-propelled breech-loading mortar, was armed with an 420 mm breech loaded mortar. Both Oka and Kondensator were built on an T-10 chassis.
More info and images at www.jedsite.info
The more recent 2S4 SM-240 M-1975 Tyulpan [Tulip Tree] 240-mm self-propelled breachloaded mortar consists of a much modified GMZ tracked minelaying vehicle carrying a 240-mm M-240 breech-loading mortar on the hull rear. The mortar is carried complete with a baseplate and is hydraulically lowered from its traveling position around a pivot on the hull rear. The baseplate is hinged to the hull rear so that when emplaced the mortar barrel faces away from the rear hull. The mortar is lowered into the firing position under remote-control and when in position can be elevated from +45 to +80° with a traverse of 8° left and right. Some rounds are probably carried inside the vehicle hull and it is likely that some form of assisted loading is provided. The rate of fire is about one round a minute, with firing being by remote-control.
The hull of the vehicle is of all-welded steel armor with the engine compartment at the front right and driver front left. The commander is seated to the rear of the driver and has a raised cupola with an externally mounted 12.7mm anti-aircraft machine gun. A further hatch is to the rear of the commander's cupola with a similar outward opening hatch on the opposite side of the vehicle roof. Ammunition is stowed internally and is loaded into the mortar using a hand-operated crane mounted at the rear of the vehicle on the left side. The mortar sighting system is on the right side of the mortar. It fires a standard 130 kg HE mortar round designated the F-864 with a minimum range of 800m and a maximum range of 9700m. In addition there is understood to be an extended-range round with a maximum range of 20000m. Other reported rounds include chemical, nuclear and a concrete-piercing round for use against hardened targets.
Vehicle suspension is of the torsion bar type with each side having six road wheels with the drive sprocket at the front, idler at the rear and four track-return rollers.
Even heavier mortars include the German Loki Gerät 041 ( 54cm) and Karl Gerät 040 ( 60cm) selfpropelled siege mortars from WWII. It weighed about 125 tons and with its 580 hp engine could manage an impressive top speed of 10 km/r on its own. The vehicle - of which just seven were built - had a ground pressure of "only" 1.8 kilograms per square centimeter (current MBT's do about 0.85 to 1.0 Kg/cm2). The gun weighed some 70 tons. It had a 28 ton rifled barrel with a total length of of 5.068 meters. The barrel was ckecked after each shot and wear was such that it had a life of just a meazly 60 shots. These mortars fired 2.5 meter long shells weighing around 2000 kg containing some 250 kg pure explosive, able to penetrate 2.5m of steel reinforced concete, out to a range of 10000m (54cm version) and 4000m (60cm version)"
did a quick serch and found the following info on the net.. don't know how accurate it is but thought I'd toss it in....
"The SM-54 KONDENSATOR-2P TRACKED ARMOURED SELF-PROPELLED GUN mounts an old soviet 406mm (naval?) gun with an range of 28 km on a tracked chassis. It was built in the late fifties as an answer to the US 280mm atomic gun. Its twin, the Oka 420mm self-propelled breech-loading mortar, was armed with an 420 mm breech loaded mortar. Both Oka and Kondensator were built on an T-10 chassis.
More info and images at www.jedsite.info
The more recent 2S4 SM-240 M-1975 Tyulpan [Tulip Tree] 240-mm self-propelled breachloaded mortar consists of a much modified GMZ tracked minelaying vehicle carrying a 240-mm M-240 breech-loading mortar on the hull rear. The mortar is carried complete with a baseplate and is hydraulically lowered from its traveling position around a pivot on the hull rear. The baseplate is hinged to the hull rear so that when emplaced the mortar barrel faces away from the rear hull. The mortar is lowered into the firing position under remote-control and when in position can be elevated from +45 to +80° with a traverse of 8° left and right. Some rounds are probably carried inside the vehicle hull and it is likely that some form of assisted loading is provided. The rate of fire is about one round a minute, with firing being by remote-control.
The hull of the vehicle is of all-welded steel armor with the engine compartment at the front right and driver front left. The commander is seated to the rear of the driver and has a raised cupola with an externally mounted 12.7mm anti-aircraft machine gun. A further hatch is to the rear of the commander's cupola with a similar outward opening hatch on the opposite side of the vehicle roof. Ammunition is stowed internally and is loaded into the mortar using a hand-operated crane mounted at the rear of the vehicle on the left side. The mortar sighting system is on the right side of the mortar. It fires a standard 130 kg HE mortar round designated the F-864 with a minimum range of 800m and a maximum range of 9700m. In addition there is understood to be an extended-range round with a maximum range of 20000m. Other reported rounds include chemical, nuclear and a concrete-piercing round for use against hardened targets.
Vehicle suspension is of the torsion bar type with each side having six road wheels with the drive sprocket at the front, idler at the rear and four track-return rollers.
Even heavier mortars include the German Loki Gerät 041 ( 54cm) and Karl Gerät 040 ( 60cm) selfpropelled siege mortars from WWII. It weighed about 125 tons and with its 580 hp engine could manage an impressive top speed of 10 km/r on its own. The vehicle - of which just seven were built - had a ground pressure of "only" 1.8 kilograms per square centimeter (current MBT's do about 0.85 to 1.0 Kg/cm2). The gun weighed some 70 tons. It had a 28 ton rifled barrel with a total length of of 5.068 meters. The barrel was ckecked after each shot and wear was such that it had a life of just a meazly 60 shots. These mortars fired 2.5 meter long shells weighing around 2000 kg containing some 250 kg pure explosive, able to penetrate 2.5m of steel reinforced concete, out to a range of 10000m (54cm version) and 4000m (60cm version)"
Drader
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 05:04 PM UTC
The Leningrad vehicle is the Oka, the Kondensator is in the Military Museum in Moscow and looks like this
http://www.tanxheaven.com/nic/condensator05/condensatormoscow.htm
David
http://www.tanxheaven.com/nic/condensator05/condensatormoscow.htm
David
Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 05:37 PM UTC
It is a very interesting vehicle. Gives a new meaning to the term "Tactical nuclear weapon system"
I have visited the museum in Sct. Petersburg several times. It is a beast!!! The museum is welll worth a visit and houses a really good hobby store as well.
I have visited the museum in Sct. Petersburg several times. It is a beast!!! The museum is welll worth a visit and houses a really good hobby store as well.