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Italeri M4A1 finished
MVisser
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 03:39 PM UTC
Hi all,

This is my version of the Italeri M4A1 Sherman (nr 225),
It has been build OOTB including the tracks.

Comments are very welcome
I hope you like it.


















The moldlines by the barrel has been removed

Greets Martin
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 03:46 PM UTC
Hi MArtin,

Looks great, love you finish, gives it a very mean look.

Pistol pot looks a bit odd, as if it's set into the turrret rather than sitting proud of it, but I'll leave that to the experts as I'm probably wrong.

Great looking kit, thanks for sharing.

Al
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 04:11 PM UTC
Martin,

Good job. I like the weathering you've done. I know what you mean about the Italeri tracks. Have you considered a dab of CA to get the tracks to stick to the roadwheels?
MVisser
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 04:18 PM UTC
Thanks for the reactions


Quoted Text

Martin,

Good job. I like the weathering you've done. I know what you mean about the Italeri tracks. Have you considered a dab of CA to get the tracks to stick to the roadwheels?



Yes I've tried to glue the tracks but without results
Maybe I'll add some different tracks on it. I'll see

Martin
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 04:32 PM UTC
Hi Martin

Most of the issues with the Italeri M4A1 are minor, and you've made a start on correcting them by swapping the dreadful tools for Academy ones.

Some more suggestions:

Binning Italeri's tracks is a good idea. Or swapping for some Tamiya ones as Tamya's 'robust' Sherman suspension can take the tension.

Next is the gun barrel which has a step not not found on the original.

The pistol port should protrude a bit more, but this needs adjustment before the piece is fitted (I got caught by it too!)



Bit of a lack of contrast in the photo, but it gives the idea.

David
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 04:40 PM UTC
Gun barrel needs a bit of help. The seam running down both sides is very prominent and needs rubbing down, and the step in the gun tube shouldn't be there (Italeri's mistake). It should be puttied and sanded so it tapers smoothly.
The stiff vinyl tracks are lifting the tank up--the swing arms on the bogies should be cemented in place with the wheels in a level position to prevent this. Top run of the tracks can be secured to the skids with a dab of white glue--jam some rolled-up cardboard between the sponson and the tracks to hold them down while it dries.
The pistol port should project out more and be faired into the turret casting with putty, though that would be difficult at this stage. Just keep that in mind for your next 76mm Sherman (Dragon has some dandy ones).
MVisser
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 04:42 PM UTC
Thanks for the suggestions

I've planned to build the dragon M4A1 so this was more like a practise which came out fine. You got me with the academy tools

Greets Martin
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 05:02 PM UTC
Hi,

First, let me say that, for an out of box build, it's quite good. I like your finishing and weathering, although it's a bit too rusty for my liking, but that's just me.

Others have addressed things I've noticed, like the pistol port, tracks lifting the tank (what a joy they are!), step in barrel, etc. One other thing I noticed was that there is a gap between the transmission cover and that row of bolts on top...in actuality, this was all one piece, so there should be no gap there. Might be tough to fill at this stage......Italeri directions should really have you glue the row of bolts to the cover, THEN fit the cover to the lower and upper hulls. Oh, and the antenna mount you have on there, which of course came with the kit, is actually the British type. I think Italeri used a former British/Polish/Italian one in a museum somewhere to base this kit on.

One other note: the edge of your decals, especially around the stars, is pretty obvious.

Other issues are more minor. Most M4A1 had stamped spoked wheels, not the open ones that came in the kit. And for future Sherman projects you'll probably want to open up the periscope covers on the hatches, as right now the tank is driving "blind", unless, of course, it's not driving but is sitting with no crew inside.

Hope this doesn't sound too nitpicky. As a Shermaholic I learned all these lessons the same way you are, and it'll only make your next project better.

Rob
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 05:14 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Hi,

First, let me say that, for an out of box build, it's quite good. I like your finishing and weathering, although it's a bit too rusty for my liking, but that's just me.

Others have addressed things I've noticed, like the pistol port, tracks lifting the tank (what a joy they are!), step in barrel, etc. One other thing I noticed was that there is a gap between the transmission cover and that row of bolts on top...in actuality, this was all one piece, so there should be no gap there. Might be tough to fill at this stage......Italeri directions should really have you glue the row of bolts to the cover, THEN fit the cover to the lower and upper hulls. Oh, and the antenna mount you have on there, which of course came with the kit, is actually the British type. I think Italeri used a former British/Polish/Italian one in a museum somewhere to base this kit on.

One other note: the edge of your decals, especially around the stars, is pretty obvious.

Other issues are more minor. Most M4A1 had stamped spoked wheels, not the open ones that came in the kit. And for future Sherman projects you'll probably want to open up the periscope covers on the hatches, as right now the tank is driving "blind", unless, of course, it's not driving but is sitting with no crew inside.

Hope this doesn't sound too nitpicky. As a Shermaholic I learned all these lessons the same way you are, and it'll only make your next project better.

Rob



Hi Rob,

It doesn't sound nitpicky, like you said it's a learing process.

I thought the Italeri kit was bad, but if I hear all the shortcomings it is worst
But it is a fun kit to build.
Like I said, my next sherman M4A1 will be the dragon which is a far nicer kit than this one.
But first I've an other project. The "new" Dragon Panzer IV ausf C. What a great kit is that. Although I haven't started yet, it looks fanatastic.

greets Martin
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 05:28 PM UTC
Forgot about the aerial base

Italeri probably based their model on an ex-Italian Army tank like this one, which has spoked wheels, a WS 19 B set aerial base and it looks like a step on the barrel.

Some things the Italeri model doesn't have but the one in the photos has are the lack of a cut out in the upper hull rear plate and the exhaust diffuser grill.

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/usa/sherman/m4a176/m4a176.htm

David
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 10:17 PM UTC
Thanks for the link david
AlanL
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 10:43 PM UTC
Hi MArtin,

If your next M4A1 is the Dragon Kit 6048 just be warned that the instructions on fixing the rear idler wheel axles are wrong, unless they have been changed. The 3 bolts should be facing downwards, as I found out toooooo late

Have fun.

Al
MVisser
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 10:46 PM UTC
lol, at least one thing they did right by italeri
Thanks for the warning Alan,
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 11:51 PM UTC

I really like your model for what it is - an out of the box build, warts and all
Nice paintjob. I will say that Shermans weren't prone to chipping or rust so for your next build maybe keep that in mind.
I have a lot of affection for the Italeri M4A1. I know all the tweaks needed and that the DML version is way ahead (Although Italeri got some things right that DML didn't) but it was one of the first kits I built when I came back into modelling and no I didn't remove the step in the barrel - I hadn't discovered Armorama then
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Posted: Monday, March 26, 2007 - 12:05 AM UTC
Very well done!
Anyway, there are two things that could have been better: first of all, the decal film is visible. Did you use any gloss paint before applying them? Second, you should glue the tracks to the wheels! I perfectly understand your feeling about them because they are a pain!
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Posted: Monday, March 26, 2007 - 12:17 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Hi MArtin,

If your next M4A1 is the Dragon Kit 6048 just be warned that the instructions on fixing the rear idler wheel axles are wrong, unless they have been changed. The 3 bolts should be facing downwards, as I found out toooooo late

Have fun.

Al



Me to. To late for me to correct without a huge butcher job.
m4sherman
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Posted: Monday, March 26, 2007 - 09:23 PM UTC
Good job. Remember, this model was the first "good" Sherman to come along, back in the late 70's early 80's! I built a dozen while fighting the Monogram and early Tamiya models. It may sound scandelous, but to cure the track issue I usually screwed the model to a base with a large fender washer inside to spread the load over the hull floor. All in all, yours turned out better than mine did.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 02:31 AM UTC
Hi Martin,
Nice weathering. Very subtle and extemely realistic.
Joe
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Posted: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 03:38 AM UTC
hey i think you did a great job, yeah the tracks are a bit stiff, but the model and weathering look ladying. I myself have built that kit many times and have always used friul tracks, saves you the time of making it look wieghty if you know what i mean. hey if you make another one , use the verlinden inside for the M4. Also i dont know if you know this but i found a awesome site with collectors brass coaxle machine guns, its the cat ass as far as detail. its callled R&J enterprises, and the prices aren't bad
keep up the good work!!!!!
MVisser
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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 12:20 PM UTC
Thanks for the reactions.

I think I'll build this kit again (or the dragon one). I also got some spare tracks (from the dragon firefly) which will fit the M4A1.

Greets Martin
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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 12:57 PM UTC
Gday Martin
Not bad for an oldy! (The kit...)
I think most everyone has given you the necessary tips for next time. You will like the DML version; she's a real beaut!
One thing though~ What's going on with the gunner's periscope, front right of the turret? Have you installed a periscope under the protective cover? If so, it should sit back a litte further and lower to be totally enshrouded by the cover if you know what I mean...
Apart from that, you've done it justice!
Cheers
Brad
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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 01:48 PM UTC
I can't properly explain why, but I love the paint job you did. The scratches and the streaks, the discolorations on the suspension.

I wonder, I have italeri's M4A3 sherman #6440, but I don't seem to notice that mine hase that "casted" look on the armor. It's all smooth and buttery.
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