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Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 04:24 AM UTC
Would that fake snow stuff you spray on christmas trees. it kinda looks like snow and I want to know if it'll look good on a tank.
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Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 06:28 AM UTC
Airwarrior

I`ve never used the fake snow spraycans. So I can`t help you on that.
But the method I use for snow is... Talcum powder and hairspray.
Just sprinkle the talcum powder over your dio and spray the whole thing with the hairspray. Repeat these two steps a couple of timkes till you have the result you want

My two cents


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Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 06:41 AM UTC
I have only attempted snow once and used microballoons. I painted where I wanted the snow to stick with gloss clear using an old brush. Then sprinkled the microballoons over. I did it a few times until I was happy with the result. I then sprayed the whole dio with citadel varnish which is a satin finish and gives that frozen/ cold look.
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Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 10:06 AM UTC
Have to agree with plasticbattle on this one...microballoons have great write-ups on the net everywhere.
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Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 10:18 AM UTC
Microballoons?
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Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 11:15 AM UTC
Microballoons are a lightweight free-flowing white powder consisting of microscopic, glass balls They are made of silica glass. Microballoons do not absorb resin and therefore provide maximum filler function.
Thus this product is a filler for resinous substances and plastics. It also makes good artificial snow for modelling projects, due mainly to it's fluidity and colour / size and density.
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Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 12:28 PM UTC
If you want a reference on Fausts method check this out
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/modules.php?set_albumName=albuo42&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

I would not use the spary can stuff. Its to big and to hard to control.

Woodland scenics make a "snow" product too if you want a purchased deal. You can usually find it at a good RailRoad hobby shop.
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Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 12:32 PM UTC
where can I get micro balloons?
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Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 05:51 PM UTC
I haven't personally tried this method. However, I have seen it used in a diorama as well as with scale railroading. It's Woodland Scenic's Soft Flake Snow. Here's a link that has a photo of it in a RR setup.

http://www.hometown-hobbies.com/woodland_scenics_

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Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 10:50 PM UTC
talcum powder and hair spray is good idea,but i wanna learn any changes happen in time?
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Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 11:17 PM UTC
Graywolf

The talcum powder hairspray method is very good. I still haven`t found and cons
It stays white till the end of days and not Yellow like snow made from baking soda does
It doesn`t attract weird bugs after a long time like snow made from baking soda does
From what I have heard from several people is that Microballons is really unhealthy stuff never used it myself but that`s what I have heard.
Another snow thing I have used is snow from a manufacturer called "Busch". I bought one box in Germany last year. you use it as some kind of plaster. you mix it with water and apply it on whereever you want your snow with a brush and let it dry. Really good stuff
But the talcumpowder-hairspray is a good and proven method for me and it`s good and cheap

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Posted: Saturday, December 27, 2003 - 06:31 AM UTC
Hello:)

Has anyone used baking soda to create snow scene, and which methods have you used for this? Thanks for now.
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Posted: Saturday, December 27, 2003 - 07:34 AM UTC
To make accumulated snow on a tank, I used Faust's method, and my own.

I mixed white glue and water, applied it to the tank where the snow goes, sifted baby powder on, and let it sit for an hour.

Then I sprayed that baby with hairspray, and it didn't move.

~Chip
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Posted: Saturday, December 27, 2003 - 08:40 AM UTC
I think you would find the flocking too thick for model use. That woodladn scenics stuff sounds killer. Need some OD paint so I'll check it out Monday when I go to pick up the paint and try to find that Academy machine gun set.
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Posted: Saturday, December 27, 2003 - 09:07 AM UTC
Hi friends.
I know you will say me, in your country doesn't have snow. You're right, but I wanted to show my attempt of representing snow. I have been seeing a lot of snow images. Brrr!!
I put Liquid Paper in the places where the snow usually accumulates over, stowage, tracks, suspension, etc... That writing repairer is more thick than paint.
The rest was made with white paint spray.
I believe it gave to my vignette a good snow effect, at least for me. How about?







(:-)
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Posted: Saturday, December 27, 2003 - 09:50 AM UTC
Gaucho ; u had an fantastic snow scene, especially i liked the palette part. well done mate
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Posted: Saturday, December 27, 2003 - 12:03 PM UTC
Hi. First, let me show you how the snow method I used turned out...





..now I'll tell you how it's done...
It's Sweet 'N Low artificial sweetener. I used a mixture of white glue and denatured alcohol and coated the places for the snow. I then sprinkled on the Sweet 'N Low and allowed to dry.

The only problem is this stuff cannot be layered easily.

The baking soda/hairspray method uses the hairspray as a fixative to form a kind of shell for the soda. The only problem is that baking soda is absorbing and will begin to yellow as it absorbs gases and such from the air. If you smoke, the baking soda will yellow even faster.

I've heard of people using white marble dust as a snow, but have not yet been able to do so. This or the microballoons seem to me the best bet. Why? They're inorganic and non-absorbing. They won't absorb the glue and water like baking soda will. Also, they're not soluble in water. They won't turn to mush or dissolve, like baking soda and Sweet 'N Low will.

Seek out a very fine non-organic, non-soluble powder of some kind and you'll be just fine.
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Posted: Saturday, December 27, 2003 - 12:48 PM UTC
I already use the spray, it looks great,but you have to apply with a certain distance from the model.Don´t overdo this, because it is really hard to take off.
I also use baking soda , but for this you have to store your model on a dry place
I hope it works!
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