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RIMA
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Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 10:06 AM UTC
I would like to make a dio with 1/35 scale soldiers and vehicules near a crasched plane.
The question is as you see the draw underneeth, hoe big should the plane be?
because i would like to put a couple of people near that plane.

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Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 10:09 AM UTC
Sorry my friend, but I can't see the drawing
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Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 10:24 AM UTC
I can see the drawing!! Looks nice too!!

If you were going to have a large dio, then the plane should be as close to 1/35 scale as possible. I don't know if there are any 1/32 scale Heinkels or anything like that. As long as you don't include the pilots from the 1/32 plane you shouldn't have any problems with the scale.

Forced perspective is difficult to deal with on an open dio - you need to be able to force the viewpoint among other things...

Looks like a great idea though!!!
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Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 10:30 AM UTC
Please I realised that people might think that I made the draw. I DIDN't.
I find it in a site about the Ardennes campaign the draw is from a witness of the campaign.
Sorry about that...
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Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 10:44 AM UTC
Great drawing........ will make a great dio. If I was in your shoes ...... this one I would make in 1/72. This scale is perfect for a dio like this. The vehicles and plane should be easily available and with so much scenery and open space, it will be better visually in a smaller scale than 1/35. Just my 2 cents!
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Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 10:51 AM UTC
I agree, this is a great dio idea, but I think it would be better to do it in 1/72 (budget and space wize)
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Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 10:55 AM UTC
Just one word of caution here.
If you plan to do it with the same proportions and distances as those displayed on the drawing . Then its gonna be a hell of a big diorama in 1/35-1/32. Pardon me the french.

I suggest that you tighten the composition by making the road and the vehicles passing close by the downed airplane. Maybe also having the vehicles in the front traveling to the right with the plane crashed in the background facing left.

Otherwise I think that this idea will work out fine in 1/72.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 12:10 PM UTC
I concur, the Heinkel would be huge in 1/35-32. I think there might be one of these in resin, but you'd be talking a whole lot of money for the kit and then to essentially wreck it. In 1/72, there have been at least a couple Heinkels and given it's crached, the old Airfix might even do, though the large greenhouse canopy would be a major challenge to replicate withthe glazing smashed.
As you may have noticed, the armored vehicles appear to be Nashorn or Hornisse, German SP guns with ersatz US stars.
Good luck withthe project and keep us posted.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 01:20 PM UTC
Obviously, the plane and vehicles could represent anything (I think the aircraft looks more like a Ju-88, personally, who's canopy would not be quite as difficult as a Heinkel's). Rather than trying to duplicate this drawing, I would use it as the main idea, but modify it for a diorama. You might not want to have the whole plane in the dio. Perhaps just a wing and the nose, either broken off from the fuselage or made to look as if the rest were intact, but outside the edge of the diorama. Place the vehicles, as others have said, nearer to the plane. 1/72 is another option, which would certainly be more plausible, but I find I can't build in that smaller scale, so I can understand if you're like me.

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Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 08:09 PM UTC
just an idea...that would look great in 1/35 scale.so if you want the diorama smaller,you can make just a part of the aircraft not the whole kit.for example,you can put the tale part with bullet holes on one edge of the dio.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 09:42 PM UTC
Yoh Rima

There is a possibility to not show the whole plane but giving the impression that something crashlanded there by only showing the tail part of the plane with bulltholes from a dogfight but in the ground a moat where the plane cutted through the soil by crash. you can modify some figs to stand on the smaller wings on the side of the tail and some soldiers standing around it.
You could even only use the picture as guidelines for the dio but take a little bit artistic freedom to put the crash site more near to the road. by turning the crash direction of the plane with it`s tail to the road. and the bushes (some sort of bocage scene as I explain it from the pics) behind it are ripped apart as where the plane came through. Some soldiers are looking with what kind of devastating forces the trees are ripped aparttanks are waiting on the road between the bushes. and directly after the bushes end in the field you see a part of the downed plane

just a suggestion


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Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 10:29 PM UTC
Here's an idea, create a road with your tanks on it, and behind that, put a hill. Behind the hill place the tail section and maybe a wing sticking up, with maybe small bits of debris between the top of the hill and the road. It'll look like it tried to crash land, but ended up hitting an enbankment that drove its nose into the ground. Since there'd be an object seperating most of the plane and the tanks on the road (object being the hill) it would be harder to judge distance on it, or even scale. You could even place some trees on the hill to obscure it even more. This is all if you want to do it in 1/35th scale and maintain a small diorama. Good luck.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 01:36 AM UTC
There is a possibility to not show the whole plane but giving the impression that something crashlanded there by only showing the tail part of the plane with bulltholes from a dogfight .

This is actualy what i will do, because if i expose the dio when finisch in a locale shop that might look weard for the visitors and customers a 1/35 dioi with a 1/72 plane could be that people might not see the desired picture effect but laugh they head off.
Those were alll interesting ideas but i will follow yours Cheers then
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 01:40 AM UTC
There is a possibility to not show the whole plane but giving the impression that something crashlanded there by only showing the tail part of the plane with bulltholes from a dogfight .

This is actualy what i will do, because if i expose the dio when finisch in a locale shop that might look weard for the visitors and customers a 1/35 dioi with a 1/72 plane could be that people might not see the desired picture effect but laugh they head off.
Those were alll interesting ideas but i will follow yours Cheers then
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 03:25 AM UTC
hoi

ik heb 1 stuka in schaal 1/32, om je een idee te geven het is 30 op 30 cm !! ik heb al meerdere dio's gezien met zulke vliegtuigen dus he moet tedoen zijn !!

misschien kan je een vleugel afbreken en wat verder plaatsen of he vliegtuig op z'n snuit zetten, wat dan weer plaats ruimt

bon, succes
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 11:10 PM UTC
2 thoughts here. If it's to be in 35th change the aircraft to find a suitable one in 32nd or you could go 48th if you can find the old Bandai kits of the Wesp/Hummel but then you'ld be dinked with lack of suitable figures. You could try letterboxing it and building it in a way to put perspective build the plane in 72nd and put vehilces up front in 35th and try to put that "perspective" spin to it.
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