Hi All,
Did the British use the M10 or the M10A1 in NW Europe?
I've googled for an answer but the results haven't been too specific.
TIA
Tom

I believe so but they referred to it as the Achilles. Try looking for it under that designation and you might have more luck.

Hi both, I'm no expert on British Armour, but wasnt the Achilles the 17 pounder armed version of the M-10?

Your right, Mark.
The Achilles was the 17pdr version.
I'm wondering about the 3inch gunned version.
Tom

Yes the M10 3" gun motor carriage was used by UK units in NWE

Yes the British Commonwealth used the M10 from 1943 on.

The M10A1's were the gas V8 versions and records indicate these did not see combat as 3 inch TD's. Some were converted to artillery tractors and used by the US Army. Most of the M10A1's were coverted to M36's.

The M10 3" GMC's were also used by Polish, Canadian and other Commonwealth units.

Cheers

jjumbo

p.s. Randall, you beat me to the punch! LOL

Thanks All,
Randall, would the Academy kit#1393 be the best match for a British M10?
Tom

Just for the record, the term Wolverine or Achillies doesn't appear to have been used in WW II at all. All available Commonwealth records list the M10s as 3" SP, M10 and the rearmed versionas 17 pdr SP, M10. There are post war drawings showing the 17 pdr versions as Achillies, but nothing from the war itself. The term Wolverine is a bit of a mystery and the best story I've heard to date is that it grew out of Cdn nomenclature (which was generally based upon animals), but even that doesn't appear on any documentation from the war.

Paul

This one in the IWM collection was photographed on the 6th June



No unit ID so it may equally be British or Canadian, looks like it has the right combination of late turret and add-on armour mounts to match the Academy model. And we shan't mention the various issues with the Academy model either......

The IWM collection has a couple more pictures, but they seem to be later versions without the add-on armour mounts. Removing them is fun to do on the Academy hull

David

I thought the M-10 was the Wolverine and it was armed with the 3 inch gun which I seem to recall is really a naval gun used by the Army. The other vehicle names were: M-18 Hellcat and M-36 Jackson. I was also under the impression that the British/Commonwealth countries only re named the modified M-10 giving it the title Achilles. Am I off base here?
thanks
DJ

Yes, I'm afraid you are. :-)

The US never officially named the M10 and the Commonwealth called them 3" SP M10s throughout the war. The M18 was the Hellcat and the M36 was the Jackson, but the M10 stayed the M10.

The 3" gun was, indeed, originally a naval weapon adapted to the army as having a better punch than the 75mm M2 or M3.

Paul

Google abounds with 'M10' and 'Wolverine' used in combination. Prime Portal even has an M10 Wolverine walkaround. Now I'm confused but I admit I don't know much about this vehicle so that explains much right there.... I'm an M10 noob......



Bob

Tom,
I am not familiar with all the numbers that Acadamy used. The best bet is to check out the IWM pictures and find one that you like. The picture David posted is typical of Commonwealth M10's as I recall.

Most of the US veterans that I have talked to called M4's "M4's", M5's "M5's". All the names were made up by the British and very few US soldiers used these names. I figured that since the British named all the other tanks, they came up with the Wolverine name as well. Now I am curious as to where it came from.

Yes, I realise that it's a common name for the M10, but apparently it is a post war fabrication with even less pedigree than "Achillies". At least Achillies shows up on post war documents. Who knows, maybe by the time of Korea the remaining 17 pdr M10s of the Strathcona's might have been named Wolverine by the Canadian Army. But I have yet to see or hear of anything definitive on where the term Wolverine came from.