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Armor used during Operation Barbarossa
Grasshopp12
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Posted: Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 07:56 AM UTC
I decided to sign up for the group build to try omething different. I, being a primarily modern armor fan, do not know a whole lot about WW2 armor, specifically that used in this campaign. Can anyone shed some light as to what was used? I don't have a preference as to if the armor is Axis or Allied, so anything is open.
airwarrior
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Posted: Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 08:08 AM UTC
the german panther was used even before it had the last of its bugs out.I'm pretty sure the russians used the t-34. these are the more easy tanks to find at a hobby shop ( except mine ) with proper colors and nice detail work it could really shine. ( except since they were painted in flat colours #:-) )
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Posted: Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 08:34 AM UTC

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the german panther was used even before it had the last of its bugs out.I #:-) )


The Germans did not use the Panther during Barbarossa,it did not enter service until the middle of '43. Barbarossa was in '41.

As for what was ues,you can build an early Pn 111,or Pn IV. A StuG "a" or "b". Or a Pn2. Any of these would be appropriate

Later
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Posted: Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 08:53 AM UTC

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the german panther was used even before it had the last of its bugs out.I #:-) )


The Germans did not use the Panther during Barbarossa,it did not enter service until the middle of '43. Barbarossa was in '41.

As for what was ues,you can build an early Pn 111,or Pn IV. A StuG "a" or "b". Or a Pn2. Any of these would be appropriate

Later
Hawkeye
saw somewhere that the panther was used in russia so i guessed really
YodaMan
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Posted: Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 08:58 AM UTC
Here is a list of acceptable vehicles as posted by Auckvich in the original Operation Barbossa thread:

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Here are the acceptable German vehicles:
- Pz. I Ausf. A & B
- Panzerbehfleswagen I Ausf. A & B
- Pz. II Ausf. A - F
- Pz. III Ausf. A - J (J can only be the early one with short-barreled 50mm)
- Pz. IV Ausf. A - F1
- Tauchpanzer III
- StuG III Ausf. A - D
- Pz. 35(t)
- Pz. 38(t) Ausf. A - F
- Flammpanzer II
- Bison I
- Panzerjager I
- Sdkfz 221/222/223
- Sdkfz 251 Ausf. A - C
- Sdkfz 2 Kettenkrad
- Sdkfz 6
- Sdkfz 7 & 7/1
- Sdkfz 8
- Sdkfz 9 FAMO
- Sdkfz 10 Demag (not D7)
- Sdkfz 11
- Sdkfz 252
- Sdkfz 253
- Sdkfz 250 alte
- Sdkfz 231/232 8-rad
- Opel trucks
- Krupp Protze
- Horch
- Steyr 1500A
- Mercedes-Benz L 1500 A

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Here are the acceptable Soviet vehicles:
- T-18
- T-20 Komsomlyets
- T-26
- T-27
- T-28
- T-30
- T-34/76 (1940 & 1941 models only)
- T-35
- T-37
- T-38
- T-40
- T-50
- T-60 (spoked wheels only)
- BT-2
- BT-5 & 5A
- BT-7 & 7A
- OT-26
- KV-1 (1939 - 1941 models only)
- KV-1e (KV-1B)
- KV-2
- ZiS-30
- D-8
- FAI & FAI-M
- all BA-* armored cars except BA-64
- M3 Lee

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Here's a link to that page of the thread: Operation Barbossa group build



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Grasshopp12
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Posted: Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 09:04 AM UTC
That's what I was looking for YodaMan - I'll tell you, finding that sort of thing on the web was proving to be quite tough.
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Posted: Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 09:05 AM UTC
Adam has listed a fairly comprehensive list of Soviet and German vehicles available in the Operation Barbarossa Group Build thread. Even though I am the OB group build leader, I defer to his expertise as far as what was in use by whom.
KentVH
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Posted: Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 11:16 AM UTC
if your interested in modern armour there is a modern armour group build (campaign) coming up and im sure you could join.
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Posted: Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 12:30 PM UTC
Airwarrioir,

You are right and wrong. Panther was indeed used in the RUSSIAN campaign. But it was too late for it to be used in Barbarosa, which was the campaign to invade Russia. Hope you are more clear now.

Grasshopp12
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Posted: Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 01:45 PM UTC
Oh don't worry Kent, I'll be doing that too. School's coming to a close so there will be lots of time to work on my modelling projects.
Sabot
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Posted: Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 04:10 PM UTC
Remember, the fighting on the Russian front went on for 3-4 years. The Operation Barbarossa group build is only focusing on the the first six months.

This build is for fun, a way for modelers to participate together across the world. There are a few types of tanks that had early variants in use, but not later variants. The T-34/76 and PzKpfw IV come to mind. Each has variants that participated so caution must be taken when selecting the proper "Ausf.'s" or marks to build.

Since this is a friendly competition, I would suggest that one err on the side of caution when chosing a kit. We don't want someone spending 2-3 months working on a kit and then have a fellow participant raise the question of whether the vehicle did or did not exist at the time.

Have fun guys, don;t make this more complicated than it should be.
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