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Cold War East German armour
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Posted: Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 12:14 AM UTC
Greetings

Since i have a massive interest in the GDR and its armed forces, the NVA (Nationale Volksarmee), i´ve decided to finally get at and build what i´ve only seen in the books and in the museums.
Although, to my surprise, i only managed to find the "Shilka" , the SS-1c Scud B with MAZ-543 TEL kit, ,both from Dragon, and Trumpeters SAM-6 kit that comes whit GDR decals and it´s the right NVA version. After quickly ordering those i'm still looking for the armour in the NVA armour.

So i'm turning to you guys,.

Are there any GDR modelers out there (whit pics on their builds) any has anyone got any tips on where i can find ANY GDR armour kits + decals.
Although i have a creepy feeling that i´ll just have to convert a Tamiya T-55.



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Where/ who do i turn too if i haven't received (gone about 3 months now) my price for winning the 51st Osprey Challenge?
Seen here: https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/92574&page=1
D.S

Keep on modeling /

Christian

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Posted: Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 12:42 AM UTC
I know that Revell reboxed the Dragon BMP-3 with Bundeswhehr markings. I don't know if it came with NVA markings though. They labeled it as the SPw 40p2.

Most versions of the Dragon T-72 had NVA markings though and most of the Dragon modern Soviet armor (BTRs, BRDMs, BMPs) were packaged with East Germany markings too.
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Posted: Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 02:30 AM UTC
Hi Christian

Sorry I am no big armour expert. Revell (Germany) is a good hint. I had a SPW 40 P2 (?) and I think there was also an 8 wheel SPW that had NVA Markings. (BTR 60/70/80?)

As for soft targets ( ) there was a GAZ-66 (although the IFA L-50 / L-60 family was mostly used in this payload class) and an URAL or KRAZ (IIRC both SKIF reboxed)

Else you have the T-72 and T-55 from Tamiya which can surely be built as NVA (if you can find decals) ... maybe have a look at http://www.peddinghaus-decals.de/

as I said I am no expert ...

HTH

cheers

Steffen
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Posted: Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 02:48 AM UTC
point your browser here old chap

http://www.panzershop.cz/inshop/
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Posted: Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 03:08 AM UTC

Quoted Text

I know that Revell reboxed the Dragon BMP-3 with Bundeswhehr markings. I don't know if it came with NVA markings though. They labeled it as the SPw 40p2.

Most versions of the Dragon T-72 had NVA markings though and most of the Dragon modern Soviet armor (BTRs, BRDMs, BMPs) were packaged with East Germany markings too.



Thanks for the info Robin. It´ll be put go good use

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Hi Christian

Sorry I am no big armour expert. Revell (Germany) is a good hint. I had a SPW 40 P2 (?) and I think there was also an 8 wheel SPW that had NVA Markings. (BTR 60/70/80?)

As for soft targets ( ) there was a GAZ-66 (although the IFA L-50 / L-60 family was mostly used in this payload class) and an URAL or KRAZ (IIRC both SKIF reboxed)

Else you have the T-72 and T-55 from Tamiya which can surely be built as NVA (if you can find decals) ... maybe have a look at http://www.peddinghaus-decals.de/

as I said I am no expert ...

HTH

cheers

Steffen


Danke schön genosse Steffen, Ich schätze es wirklich!


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point your browser here old chap

http://www.panzershop.cz/inshop/


Cheers Andy! What a GDR gold mine...indeed.

Thanks to all of you for helping me out. I realy appreciate it!
Jacques
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Posted: Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 03:33 AM UTC
For GDR:

T-55 - Tamiya (T-54/55 conversion are available for many variants)

T-62 - Wait for the Trumpeter offerings or update (heavily) the Tamiya kit, or scratchbuild one.

T-72 - Tamiya with a replacement turret.

BMP-1/2- Esci kits

BTR-70 - DML

Shilka - DML

SA-13 Gopher - Skif

SA-9 gaskin - DML

BRDM -1 - 1 plastic kit that has been offered by various manufacturer's. Also, many resin variants and full resin kits, although older.

BRDM-2/3 - DML

SA-2 - Trumpeter

Scud- B - DML

2S1 122mm Artillery - SKIF

D-30A 122mm towed artillery - Skif

BA-3 100mm towed ATG - ICM

there are also a ton of conversions / full resin kits taht are GDR/NVA related at my own store site: saammodels.tripod.com

That should be a good start anyhow!


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Posted: Monday, June 18, 2007 - 05:48 AM UTC
God afton Christian,

sorry for the late answer, but I found this forum only recently...

Tamiyas T-55 isn't that far away from GDR T-55. If you want to build the AM/AM2/AM2B , there is a lot of work, but CMK's set might be a good start...

For T-72: There have been different variants in use. The very early ones with optical rangefinder and even flapping side gill-armor, the ones with laser-rangefinder, rubber side skirts but without additional turret and front-hull armor and the later ones with additional turret and hull armor.

Here is a little appendix for the above mentionend list:

SPW 60 (same as BTR 60) (only kit I know: Old Verlinden- resin!)
PT-76 (Kit: Eastern Express)
MT-LB (and other MT-variants) (Kit: Skif ;-()
And now some ancient "Eisenschweine" (iron pigs):
T-35/85 (Kit DML, to be heavy modified)
IS-2 (wait for new DML-Kit)
SPW 152 (Kit: SKIF)
and even SU-76 (but only for a short time, most converted to enginiering veh.), SU-100, SU-85, late T-34/76 (!) and of course the BA-64. Most of them used by KVP (Kasernierte Volkspolizei) and transfered to the NVA.

For this topic "Die Landstreitkräfte der NVA", a book by Wilfried Kopenhagen is very recommended!

For specific questions, send an eMail!

HTH

Volker

P.S.: Be aware of choosing the right Shilka from DML (the later one!).
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Posted: Monday, June 18, 2007 - 07:26 PM UTC
aHi,

re there 2 Shilka kits? Never knew that
VolkerS
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Posted: Monday, June 18, 2007 - 07:48 PM UTC
Hi,

yes, DML did two kits of the shilka! Item 3518 was named ZSU-23-4M, whereas 3521 was ZSU-23-4V1. AFAIK actual DML sells the last one. They differed in some reinforcement rib here and there and a third access door on the left hull side at the M.
But I've got to correct myself, the former NVA seemed to have used both!

HTH

Volker

P.S.: You may remember the somewhat martial box-art of the M-kit: Shilka leading a column of BMP's, passing a downed airliner!
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Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 10:01 AM UTC
God afton VolkerS...and thanks a million

Just bought the " Die NVA" book ( includes the air, army and sea forces of the NVA)
And i´ll definatly email you about some questions i have.

/
Christian
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Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 12:21 AM UTC

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Hi,

P.S.: You may remember the somewhat martial box-art of the M-kit: Shilka leading a column of BMP's, passing a downed airliner!



I remember that, and it was a British Airways one at that!
VolkerS
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Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 06:05 AM UTC
Hi Mark,

indeed it was! It seemed to be a "little" offending, so the wreck "vanished" on the Italeri-reboxing ;-)

Cheers & beers

Volker
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Posted: Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 06:59 AM UTC
Hi Christian,

hope it works!?



I build this back in '93/'94. Sadly without the knowledge of today techniques:-(. Maybe I'll rework it someday...

Volker
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