Very Very impressed! I couldn't even SEE the PE stuff never mind do what you're doing with it. Very impressed. I like your welding work too, along with the Mr Surfacer.
I've kinda put figure painting on the back burner for now and I'm kinda getting back to my roots, building tanks etc. I'll be still working on the figures that accompany said tanks etc, so I guess I'll be killing two birds with one stone. I think I get more satisfaction working on armor, plus, there's SO much more stuff to learn, i.e. the different layers of painting, Mig muds, photo etch etc. Thanks for your inspiration!!!!
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EasyOff
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Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 12:47 PM UTC
sgtreef
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Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 09:19 PM UTC
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@Jeff: I'm looking over my shoulder every minute...
Yup, those are Archers. I guess I'll start painting the tracks this weekend.
@Tony: Thanx!
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Here's the last addition of casting numbers on the inside of the drivers hatch. I copied these from a ref pic I got from Brad. Thanx mate!
Now I GOTTA get down to painting this thing soon!
Okay I am ordering a set from them right now Per-Erik.
Let them men in white coats come .
You should put this as a blog in that contest thing that is running now got my vote if we can vote at all.
:-)
Be warned I am looking to see how you do those tracks.
I have them glued and painted black on the inside but can't figure the outside out,so waiting to see what you come up with on that.
I *cough* might need a boost on that painting.
Good luck
HONEYCUT
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Posted: Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 04:27 AM UTC
WOW. Those casting numbers sure came out well Per-Erik... 
Please tell me the drivers hatch will be in the open position
Great stuff
Brad
Please tell me the drivers hatch will be in the open position Great stuff
Brad
Stampede
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Posted: Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 12:03 PM UTC
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You should put this as a blog in that contest thing that is running now got my vote if we can vote at all.
Be warned I am looking to see how you do those tracks.
I have them glued and painted black on the inside but can't figure the outside out,so waiting to see what you come up with on that.
I really appreciate the voting comment Jeff, thanx!
Hmmm...
I seem to have a slight problem figuring out why you've painted them black on the inside.
I believe that these tracks are the all steel version of the T80 track, not the rubber/steel version, but I'm not sure.(ref. the first post in this thread, not a clue when it comes to Sherman statement.) Maybe some of the Sherman experts can chime in here.
I think this is the tracks that are in the kit.
@Brad: Thanx bud, glad you liked the casting numbers. Again, thanx for the picture.
And yes, the hatch will be in the open position...
Per-Erik
sgtreef
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Posted: Friday, July 18, 2008 - 12:27 AM UTC
Per-Erik from what I have gathered they were like this.
Plus description is as follows.
T-80 Chevron steel tread, rubber top. In use near the end of WW-2.
From here.
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/spoelstra/g104/track_hvss.htm
Plus description is as follows.
T-80 Chevron steel tread, rubber top. In use near the end of WW-2.
From here.
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/spoelstra/g104/track_hvss.htm
210cav
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Posted: Friday, July 18, 2008 - 02:40 AM UTC
That picture almost makes me want to cry! 
Stampede
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Posted: Friday, July 18, 2008 - 10:11 AM UTC
@Jeff: According to this pic it looks like the tracks should be steels on the outside and rubber/steel on the inside. Is this correct? I remember reading somewhere that there were an all steel version of the T80 track. Do you know anything about this?
These tracks are kinda freakin' me out right now...
The pic I posted looks like an all steel track to me, what do you think about that?
These tracks are kinda freakin' me out right now...
The pic I posted looks like an all steel track to me, what do you think about that?
sgtreef
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Posted: Friday, July 18, 2008 - 11:58 AM UTC
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@Jeff: According to this pic it looks like the tracks should be steels on the outside and rubber/steel on the inside. Is this correct? I remember reading somewhere that there were an all steel version of the T80 track. Do you know anything about this?
These tracks are kinda freakin' me out right now...
The pic I posted looks like an all steel track to me, what do you think about that?
Well Per-Erik I am afraid to say Rubber on the inside and steel on the outside.
The ones you are thinking about have two little steel dots on them.
I think T-62 and in VVSS instead of HVSS I think
The picture you put up throws me off so where all the Sherman Builders at.
Again from here.
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/spoelstra/g104/track_vvss.htm
So what do you think?
DJ yes you are right and to think we now know that there was ice on Mars
Think of how many Vehicles we could of restored with the Billion plus to find that out.
Stampede
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Posted: Friday, July 18, 2008 - 11:06 PM UTC
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Well Per-Eric I am afraid to say Rubber on the inside and steel on the outside.
The ones you are thinking about have two little steel dots on them.
I think T-62 and in VVSS instead of HVSS I think
The picture you put up throws me off so where all the Sherman Builders at.
Again from here.
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/spoelstra/g104/track_vvss.htm
So what do you think?
Seems like you're correct about the tracks being steel on the outside and rubber on the inside, my friend. That was kinda what I was fearing it would be.
I borrowed a couple of pics from Toadmans, and I think they show the same as your pic does, which I believe is the same tank.
So, I guess I'll have to take a different approach to the tracks...
paxtonm
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Posted: Friday, July 18, 2008 - 11:32 PM UTC
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That picture almost makes me want to cry!
Every tanker in the world would cry if they saw that picture!
JeepLC
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Posted: Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 06:18 PM UTC
Great looking build. All that PE would drive me nuts. I am going insane as is with minimal PE. You must have small fingers!
-Mike
PS- Anyone up for a tanks rescue? Where is that tank and its friends?
-Mike
PS- Anyone up for a tanks rescue? Where is that tank and its friends?
sgtreef
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Posted: Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 12:18 AM UTC
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Well Per-Eric I am afraid to say Rubber on the inside and steel on the outside.
The ones you are thinking about have two little steel dots on them.
I think T-62 and in VVSS instead of HVSS I think
The picture you put up throws me off so where all the Sherman Builders at.
Again from here.
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/spoelstra/g104/track_vvss.htm
So what do you think?
Seems like you're correct about the tracks being steel on the outside and rubber on the inside, my friend. That was kinda what I was fearing it would be.
I borrowed a couple of pics from Toadmans, and I think they show the same as your pic does, which I believe is the same tank.
So, I guess I'll have to take a different approach to the tracks...
Yep where I got them Toad rules.
Copyright to Toad and used for demo only.
Sorry to say so Per-Eric but I think there was a solid steel version also but not until maybe Korea or they used the T-66 or T-84 post war tracks.
After checking nope rubber inside and steel outside.
Can't wait to see what you come up with.
This M4A3(105)HVSS Sherman was photographed at American Society of Military History "Tankland" So. El Monte, California in September 2005. It was a former range target at USMC Air Ground Combat Center 29 Palms.
Stampede
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Posted: Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 12:12 PM UTC
@Mike C: Thanx! Nope, I don't have particulary small fingers, normal actually. Some good tweezers and a magnifyer does the trick for me!
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The fun has slowly begun...I'm painting tracks!
Airbrushed a coat of Panzer Aces Track Primer...
Masked of the outsides and the guide horns...
Airbrushed a coat of Panzer Aces Dark Rubber...
Then a couple of washes with Abteilung 502 Light Rust Brown. I added some Light Rust pigments to the last wash too...
The outside
and the inside...
I also used some MIG Black Smoke pigments on the rubber portion of the track to get a bit more greyish black color to it, and also to simulate wear.
Some drying time is needed for this, and the next step will be some dry brushing and some graphite I guess...well, we'll see.
Waddaya think?
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The fun has slowly begun...I'm painting tracks!
Airbrushed a coat of Panzer Aces Track Primer...
Masked of the outsides and the guide horns...
Airbrushed a coat of Panzer Aces Dark Rubber...
Then a couple of washes with Abteilung 502 Light Rust Brown. I added some Light Rust pigments to the last wash too...
The outside
and the inside...
I also used some MIG Black Smoke pigments on the rubber portion of the track to get a bit more greyish black color to it, and also to simulate wear.
Some drying time is needed for this, and the next step will be some dry brushing and some graphite I guess...well, we'll see.
Waddaya think?
sgtreef
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Posted: Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 01:14 PM UTC
Killer job need to put that in my book when I get to mine.
I do also like the idea of Panzer Color have a few myself.
Keep it up.
More pics great idea on the tracks Per-Erik.
I do also like the idea of Panzer Color have a few myself.
Keep it up.
More pics great idea on the tracks Per-Erik.
Stampede
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Posted: Monday, July 21, 2008 - 01:44 AM UTC
Thanx Jeff, glad you liked the result so far!
But, recon I'll call the tracks done at this point. Some extra weathering will be done when I mount them on the vehicle I guess.
Made a mix of MIG Europe Dust, Light Dust og Brick Dust and applied it with an old brush and worked it into the tracks.
I then drew a soft bristeled wide brush over the tracks in one direction to simulate "movement".
Then I used an ordinary HB pencil and some MIG Gun Metal pigments to get the metallic sheen on the outside and on the horns.
Here's the result...
The outside...
The inside...
And now I hear the preshade color XF61 call my name!
This is gonna be fun...I think
But, recon I'll call the tracks done at this point. Some extra weathering will be done when I mount them on the vehicle I guess.
Made a mix of MIG Europe Dust, Light Dust og Brick Dust and applied it with an old brush and worked it into the tracks.
I then drew a soft bristeled wide brush over the tracks in one direction to simulate "movement".
Then I used an ordinary HB pencil and some MIG Gun Metal pigments to get the metallic sheen on the outside and on the horns.
Here's the result...
The outside...
The inside...
And now I hear the preshade color XF61 call my name!
This is gonna be fun...I think
sgtreef
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Posted: Monday, July 21, 2008 - 11:59 AM UTC
Damn Per-Erik you keep raising the Bar here to much Dude. 
Those tracks look better then the real ones
Great job Man you are making it hard to get near this build.
Which I think you already have passed by.
And pics look like they grow or to close to the glue.
A great build a lot of good ideas to use thanks a bunch.
So how long if I might ask have you been slapping glue to plastic?
I hope long or I am hiding and taking up Knitting and that other women thing oh yes Sewing.
Those tracks look better then the real ones
Great job Man you are making it hard to get near this build.
Which I think you already have passed by.
And pics look like they grow or to close to the glue.
A great build a lot of good ideas to use thanks a bunch.
So how long if I might ask have you been slapping glue to plastic?
I hope long or I am hiding and taking up Knitting and that other women thing oh yes Sewing.
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Posted: Monday, July 21, 2008 - 12:15 PM UTC
you and me both buddy
Stampede
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Posted: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 08:51 AM UTC
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Damn Per-Eric you keep raising the Bar here to much Dude.
Those tracks look better then the real ones
Great job Man you are making it hard to get near this build.
Which I think you already have passed by.
And pics look like they grow or to close to the glue.
A great build a lot of good ideas to use thanks a bunch.
So how long if I might ask have you been slapping glue to plastic?
I hope long or I am hiding and taking up Knitting and that other women thing oh yes Sewing.
Jeff! Thanx for the really kind words on my build and the tracks! Very much appreciated I'll tell ya! The growing tracks, I thought it was a kind cool effect to shoot the pics that way
Glad you can use some of my ideas on your build!
Well I've been building on and off since I was about 10 or 12, which I'm not anymore, 45 years old this year to be exact.
I used to build armor when I was a in my teens but then I switched to 1/25 cars. This Sherman is my second armor model after a 15 year break from modelling due to building our house and tending to our kids, and too much work.I would not recommend sewing or knitting, this hobby is much more fun!
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Got started with the stowage the other night. I think stowage kinda belongs on a Sherman, but I bet it's gonna be a pain to paint and weather.
Made a cover for the luggage and a camo net just to get something else back there other than back packs, sleeping bags and fuel cans. Just need to tie the stuff up with some rope.
So waddaya think, does this look ok?
sgtreef
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Posted: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 11:47 AM UTC
Going to look killer Per-Erik.
A medal winner by no doubt.
I am not a stowage man,But yours looks like it should and after painting I think will be killer.
Can't wait to see this one with paint.
Mine won't be done until Oct at least so I guess will have to drop out of the Sherman campaign.
Know I should of Bypassed the PE.
Oh well nothing lost really.
A medal winner by no doubt.
I am not a stowage man,But yours looks like it should and after painting I think will be killer.
Can't wait to see this one with paint.
Mine won't be done until Oct at least so I guess will have to drop out of the Sherman campaign.
Know I should of Bypassed the PE.
Oh well nothing lost really.
HONEYCUT
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Posted: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 09:41 PM UTC
Hey Per-Erik
That's some job you've done on the tracks mate. Apologies for giving you the bum steer on the all- steel construction; I guess my info was post war... (I did say I've never built HVSS before )
The streaked dirt look worked well, but I'd say that there would be none of this effect on the track links as I imagine they wouldn't slide much during full traction, so your depiction could work for residual muddy water streaks or similar due to gravity if the tank is stationary...
Your stowage looks great by the way...
I did notice that the rear lifting rings are sloped with the hull, whereas they definitely should be vertical, as well as the engine door rests. Pretty noticeable to Shermaniacs
Great stuff mate
Brad
That's some job you've done on the tracks mate. Apologies for giving you the bum steer on the all- steel construction; I guess my info was post war...
(I did say I've never built HVSS before )The streaked dirt look worked well, but I'd say that there would be none of this effect on the track links as I imagine they wouldn't slide much during full traction, so your depiction could work for residual muddy water streaks or similar due to gravity if the tank is stationary...
Your stowage looks great by the way...
I did notice that the rear lifting rings are sloped with the hull, whereas they definitely should be vertical, as well as the engine door rests. Pretty noticeable to Shermaniacs
Great stuff mate
Brad
Stampede
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Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 01:09 AM UTC
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Hey Per-Erik
That's some job you've done on the tracks mate. Apologies for giving you the bum steer on the all- steel construction; I guess my info was post war...
The streaked dirt look worked well, but I'd say that there would be none of this effect on the track links as I imagine they wouldn't slide much during full traction, so your depiction could work for residual muddy water streaks or similar due to gravity if the tank is stationary...
Your stowage looks great by the way...
I did notice that the rear lifting rings are sloped with the hull, whereas they definitely should be vertical, as well as the engine door rests. Pretty noticeable to Shermaniacs
Great stuff mate
Brad
Thanx for the kind words Brad, highly appreciated. No prob with the bum steer, could've checked my refs more thorougly myself.
The tracks will most certainly get a slight overhaul when they're finally mounted to the vehicle.
As for the lift rings and engine door rests I thought I had them correctly placed
Check this pic and give me a holler...
Thanx!
Per-Erik
paxtonm
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Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 03:16 AM UTC
Per-Erik,
Your tracks and the build as a whole look fantastic so far. Is there any way you can post the section on how you did your tracks as an article, or post just that portion in the "Just for Beginners" section? I know I will need to reference it when I get home from Iraq, as I have this model in my small collection of to-be-built models!
Thanks,
Michael
Your tracks and the build as a whole look fantastic so far. Is there any way you can post the section on how you did your tracks as an article, or post just that portion in the "Just for Beginners" section? I know I will need to reference it when I get home from Iraq, as I have this model in my small collection of to-be-built models!
Thanks,
Michael
JeepLC
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Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 03:16 AM UTC
The only thing I would say to do is move some of those ammo cans. They are resting on top of soft objects, loosly secured on the rear of the tank. That spells DISASTER!!!
Just my 2 cents.
-Mike
Just my 2 cents.
-Mike
Stampede
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Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 03:25 AM UTC
The stowage is not by far tied down yet. The rope in the pic was just a test for scale which I found to be too thick....the ammo cans will be tied down but I guess I'll move them below the soft object.
HONEYCUT
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Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 03:56 AM UTC
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As for the lift rings and engine door rests I thought I had them correctly placed
Well um, yep, err... you see the thing is... It appeared as though they were slanted from the previous photos...
Good thing I was there to just keep you on your toes... You passed the test mate Apologies in order once again... Brad
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