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Patriotic slogans on WWII Russian armour
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Posted: Monday, April 21, 2008 - 06:01 AM UTC
thank you for your correction boris i do have a bad memory (sometimes) and must have missspelled it on my tank thanks again.
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Posted: Monday, April 21, 2008 - 06:15 AM UTC
well,i was born in russia,now im living in germany.
the most decals are " for motherland", "for stalin".they are too stereotype for me. the slogans you geht on this decals are maybe seen on a few tanks of a same bataillon.
russian tankmen painted a lot of personal things on their tanks during a long service time,well i believe that the not many forefront tanks weren´t painted on. slogans could be found on tanks of the 2nd,3rd line behind the forefront.
russian solders were like brothers in war,so you could find names of fallen comrades,names of russian myth and romance heroes and names of factories and cities ( to thank russian women,older people etc working hard to keep defending weapons producing).
but,as i said,slogans weren´t on the forefront-they were a bad camouflage and there were no time for this
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Posted: Monday, April 21, 2008 - 10:01 PM UTC

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Have you guys tried this site? http://www.rustran.com/ It works pretty good.

Jim



As a translator by profession (albeit for German & English, not Russian) I'd advise caution there as translation isn't simply a matter of "word substitution"!! There's a lot more to it than that.

Some of these online translation engines produce sheer, unadulterated garbage.

- Steve


Steve Zaloga once wrote about a decal sheet offered by Microscale years ago for Soviet tanks which used "dictionary Russian" with sometimes hilarious results. His favorite was a slogan that translated as "Death is a Fascist."
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Posted: Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 02:05 AM UTC

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well,i was born in russia,now im living in germany.
the most decals are " for motherland", "for stalin".they are too stereotype for me. the slogans you geht on this decals are maybe seen on a few tanks of a same bataillon.
russian tankmen painted a lot of personal things on their tanks during a long service time,well i believe that the not many forefront tanks weren´t painted on. slogans could be found on tanks of the 2nd,3rd line behind the forefront.
russian solders were like brothers in war,so you could find names of fallen comrades,names of russian myth and romance heroes and names of factories and cities ( to thank russian women,older people etc working hard to keep defending weapons producing).
but,as i said,slogans weren´t on the forefront-they were a bad camouflage and there were no time for this


Bingo!!!!

Where did you born?
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Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 06:48 AM UTC

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...and names of factories and cities ( to thank russian women,older people etc working hard to keep defending weapons producing)...


Names of factories, cities, colleges and so on were on tanks and planes because workers of those factories/residents of cities collected money to build those tanks (or by individuals too).
Besides individually named tanks there were also complete tank regiments with the same slogans because of the reason I named above.
If anyone interested I have a big list of these slogans and their origins, saved in MS Word. But it is in Russian, and I really don't feel like translating all of that...
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Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 08:06 AM UTC
I can puzzle through the Cyrillic if it's a list of cities, factories, etc. Please forward it to me, I have sent you a PM.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 08:40 AM UTC

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...and names of factories and cities ( to thank russian women,older people etc working hard to keep defending weapons producing)...


Names of factories, cities, colleges and so on were on tanks and planes because workers of those factories/residents of cities collected money to build those tanks (or by individuals too).
Besides individually named tanks there were also complete tank regiments with the same slogans because of the reason I named above.
If anyone interested I have a big list of these slogans and their origins, saved in MS Word. But it is in Russian, and I really don't feel like translating all of that...



I forgot to add. That list I have does not include slogans written in native languages. I can imagine there was a bunch of them too.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 02:06 PM UTC
Hello, I've been waiting for help on this subject for a while (new to the group).
If someone would translate as many as possible of these Archer decals, then I'd be most grateful



Thank You,
Greg
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Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 06:29 PM UTC

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If someone would translate as many as possible of these Archer decals, then I'd be most grateful





1 = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyacheslav_Molotov
2 = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Timoshenko
3 = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Suvorov
4 = For Soviet Moldavia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova)
5 = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Dzerzhinsky
6 = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolay_Shchors
7 = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Donskoi
!!!
Дмитрии Донскои -- WRONG!
Дмитрий Донской -- correct.

8 = Fight against fascists
!!!
беи -- WRONG!
бей -- correct.

9 = For Soviet Estonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia)
Minsk94
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Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 07:18 PM UTC

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If someone would translate as many as possible of these Archer decals, then I'd be most grateful



But you really need to watch on what model of tank you place the slogan (if you are going for a historical accuracy). For example, slogan "СУВОРОВ" (Suvorov) was on the tank built on personal savings of Marshal of the Soviet Union Boris Shaposhnikov (1882-1945). Tank was received by 54-th Guard Tank Brigade in October of 1944. So don't put it on KV or T-35 What kind of tank - have no idea... You can kill me now ...
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Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 08:40 PM UTC

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If someone would translate as many as possible of these Archer decals, then I'd be most grateful



But you really need to watch on what model of tank you place the slogan (if you are going for a historical accuracy). For example, slogan "СУВОРОВ" (Suvorov) was on the tank built on personal savings of Marshal of the Soviet Union Boris Shaposhnikov (1882-1945). Tank was received by 54-th Guard Tank Brigade in October of 1944. So don't put it on KV or T-35 What kind of tank - have no idea... You can kill me now ...



T-34-85 is the most likely by that date.

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Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 08:47 PM UTC

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Hello, I've been waiting for help on this subject for a while (new to the group).
If someone would translate as many as possible of these Archer decals, then I'd be most grateful

Thank You,
Greg



Almost all of the lefthand sheet, the one that starts with Latvijas Strelniks (Latvian Rifles) belong on various hex-turreted T-34s. The other sheet is more widespread, with a mix of flat-turretted T-34s (Dzerzhinski/Shchors/L2-IS/Soviet Estonia), T-34-85 (D-5T version) (Dmitri Donskoi) could also be an OT-34, and KV-1s 'ekhranami (Vei fashistov).

David
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Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 01:31 PM UTC
WOW! Thanks for the work on those slogans - you probably saved me from ruining at least a dozen models. Anyone seen slogans on a SU-152? I've only seen for the motherland on the gun mantlet from an artist's sketch. I'm also doing a KV-85. I might be safer with numbers or staying blank though (I have them meeting at a crossroads)?
Greg
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Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 04:02 PM UTC

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I might be safer with numbers or staying blank though (I have them meeting at a crossroads)?Greg


I wonder how PEC (plain, everyday, common) these slogans were on tanks. Does anyone know whether the majority of vehicles had them?

I have noticed that the more photos of Tiger tanks I look at, the more I see with few or even no markings to speak of, often not even numbers. Certainly a goodly number of variants did not have Balkenkreuzen on them. I don't even see a lot of DAK symbols, either.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 05:50 PM UTC

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WOW! Thanks for the work on those slogans - you probably saved me from ruining at least a dozen models. Anyone seen slogans on a SU-152? I've only seen for the motherland on the gun mantlet from an artist's sketch. I'm also doing a KV-85. I might be safer with numbers or staying blank though (I have them meeting at a crossroads)?
Greg



If you can name the regiment too, it will be easier to tell for sure
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Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 05:53 PM UTC

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I might be safer with numbers or staying blank though (I have them meeting at a crossroads)?Greg


I wonder how PEC (plain, everyday, common) these slogans were on tanks. Does anyone know whether the majority of vehicles had them?.



It looks like they were common, but if you think about the numbers of AFVs produced by Soviet Union in WWII (plus delivered by lend-lease), I am sure it was not as common as it seems.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 09:42 PM UTC
KV-85 and SU-152 together



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Posted: Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 01:35 PM UTC

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KV-85 and SU-152 together



David



Is the third vehicle a SU-152? It does have a lower profile. I never noticed that before - Nice!
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Posted: Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 05:40 PM UTC
I looked around and found this link that describes KV-85 and SU-152 together in combat:

http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemid=50&lang=en
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Hi Jerry,

Thanks for citing greeklish.org in your post. I came upon this thread some time ago, but I didn't comment until now. I am not sure if you've checked back lately, but I have added a substantial amount of materials and images dedicated to Zoya to my site. I have also published a book about her called "Red Youth: Young Heroes of the Great Patriotic War." I am going to create a new page featuring images of armor, ships and other things named in commemoration of Zoya (or otherwise associated with her). I would really, really appreciate it if I can use pictures of your model (the one with the Zoya dedication) on my site. Of course, I'll give you full credit and link back to whatever site you choose. Please let me know.

Best,
Mike
http://www.greeklish.org/features/zoya/index.htm
http://www.erythrospress.com/store/red-youth.html

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