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Jeep Wreck!
Tanker9
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Posted: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 05:14 PM UTC
Wow, very nice detail on the jeep, those fenders are awesome! Great job!
Posted: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 06:13 PM UTC
Hi Jonathan,
really great work, excellent stuff.
Al
really great work, excellent stuff.
Al
roudeleiw
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Posted: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 07:19 PM UTC
Jonathan,
this looks highly interesting and is superbly done.
I have one question. If i understood it right you have now a grill made of lead foil and hollow on the back ?! How are you dealing with that. Does it stay invisible?
Thanks
Claude
this looks highly interesting and is superbly done.
I have one question. If i understood it right you have now a grill made of lead foil and hollow on the back ?! How are you dealing with that. Does it stay invisible?
Thanks
Claude
Babcat
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Posted: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 09:51 PM UTC
Claude,
Hollow on the back is actually a good thing, The original grill was stamped metal pretty much the way I made mine, we are just used to the injection molded kits where the sheet metal is portrayed the same as plate steel. While I was working on this I thought that it would be cool to have an entire jeep made like this... maybe one day.
Thanks
Jonathan
Hollow on the back is actually a good thing, The original grill was stamped metal pretty much the way I made mine, we are just used to the injection molded kits where the sheet metal is portrayed the same as plate steel. While I was working on this I thought that it would be cool to have an entire jeep made like this... maybe one day.
Thanks
Jonathan
sgtreef
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Posted: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 11:11 PM UTC
Nice stuff here.
Like the use of lead to make the grill real sweet that is.
Also thanks for the link to the lead a good deal at $9.00 for a 12 x12 should last along time.
Like the use of lead to make the grill real sweet that is.
Also thanks for the link to the lead a good deal at $9.00 for a 12 x12 should last along time.
roudeleiw
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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 12:50 AM UTC
Quoted Text
The original grill was stamped metal pretty much the way I made mine
Jonathan
Thank you, one more thing learned! Just a few thousands to go :-)
Claude
Babcat
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Posted: Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 05:53 AM UTC
Here are the next set of progress photos!
Unfortunately the first is a problem, I am having trouble making the window frame...
so far not so good.
Here the other leaf spring is built and installed.
I swapped out my homeade air cleaner with the one in the kit, hmmm, how do you suppose I missed that?
Add a radiator and some paint...
Head lights, hood, some tires, it's getting there...
And that is that for now.
Aloha
Jonathan
Unfortunately the first is a problem, I am having trouble making the window frame...
so far not so good.
Here the other leaf spring is built and installed.
I swapped out my homeade air cleaner with the one in the kit, hmmm, how do you suppose I missed that?
Add a radiator and some paint...
Head lights, hood, some tires, it's getting there...
And that is that for now.
Aloha
Jonathan
okdoky
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Posted: Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 06:47 AM UTC
Johnathan
I know that problem of the clear plastic bonding to the white but setting up a warp. I had that with the VW panel sides. It must be due to the melting properties of the glue and the different strengths of the plastic.
How about making a frame using the tin foil tins you get from carry outs and glueing the clear to that. If you make an edge to fold over on each side you could almost trap the clear to hide the edges.
Nige
I know that problem of the clear plastic bonding to the white but setting up a warp. I had that with the VW panel sides. It must be due to the melting properties of the glue and the different strengths of the plastic.
How about making a frame using the tin foil tins you get from carry outs and glueing the clear to that. If you make an edge to fold over on each side you could almost trap the clear to hide the edges.
Nige
paulchatfield
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Posted: Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 08:55 AM UTC
Great to see the updates coming regularly.
Love watching this one. Attention to detail is very impressive
Paul
Love watching this one. Attention to detail is very impressive
Paul
muddyfields
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Posted: Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 09:05 AM UTC
Hi
Coming along very nicely.
Coming along very nicely.
Stormin
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Posted: Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 09:20 AM UTC
Hi Jonathan,
great work on the scratch built jeep, would love to try this myself. What thickness of sheet do you use? Would you be able use this in thicker sheet sizes as easily for tanks etc?
Would love to see a SBS of your work. Keep it up as I'd love to see more & it all finished.
Kenny.
great work on the scratch built jeep, would love to try this myself. What thickness of sheet do you use? Would you be able use this in thicker sheet sizes as easily for tanks etc?
Would love to see a SBS of your work. Keep it up as I'd love to see more & it all finished.
Kenny.
Babcat
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Posted: Monday, February 09, 2009 - 04:27 AM UTC
Hey Nige,
I was kind of leaning that way myself. I hadn't thought of doing a fold over, that might even eliminate the need for glue on the clear plastic! Hmmm... there is definately potential there!
Thanks
Jonathan
Quoted Text
I know that problem of the clear plastic bonding to the white but setting up a warp...
...How about making a frame using the tin foil tins you get from carry outs...
I was kind of leaning that way myself. I hadn't thought of doing a fold over, that might even eliminate the need for glue on the clear plastic! Hmmm... there is definately potential there!
Thanks
Jonathan
Babcat
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Posted: Monday, February 09, 2009 - 04:38 AM UTC
First things first Kenny,
Thanks for the compliments and glad that it inspires!
Now to the questions.
All of it is scrap from wine bottles and food containers so I don't really know how thick it is, what I can do is compare it to some of my plastic stock if that would help.
I have used it for fenders (like Fred shows earlier in the thread), but this is probably the most extensive use of that I have made. As far as armor plate, I would probaby just stick to plastic stock.
I do have more photos in my album on kitmaker, if you have specific stuff you want to see just let me know.
Thanks
Jonathan
Thanks for the compliments and glad that it inspires!
Now to the questions.
Quoted Text
...What thickness of sheet do you use?
All of it is scrap from wine bottles and food containers so I don't really know how thick it is, what I can do is compare it to some of my plastic stock if that would help.
Quoted Text
Would you be able use this in thicker sheet sizes as easily for tanks etc?
I have used it for fenders (like Fred shows earlier in the thread), but this is probably the most extensive use of that I have made. As far as armor plate, I would probaby just stick to plastic stock.
Quoted Text
Would love to see a SBS of your work.
I do have more photos in my album on kitmaker, if you have specific stuff you want to see just let me know.
Thanks
Jonathan
BigJon
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Posted: Monday, February 09, 2009 - 06:19 AM UTC
you've done very well achieving that effect, it looks superb.
Very clever little technique using the foil too, it has really paid off. I love it when something different turns up and this is just that! Great work mate
Very clever little technique using the foil too, it has really paid off. I love it when something different turns up and this is just that! Great work mate
Stormin
Scotland, United Kingdom
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Posted: Monday, February 09, 2009 - 08:10 AM UTC
Hi Jonathon,
I've never scratchbuilt anything before, so being on a tight budget at the moment I'd like to try. I'll need to get some plastic card & other stuff that I'll need so any help with a minimum of what materials I'd need would also be helpful.
1. I'm not sure of scale thicknesses so any help there would be great, (it's not like some kit parts are correctly sized, like the German tank skirts etc).
2. For tanks I was thinking more interiors than exterior, maybe the skirts, fenders etc. I'd like to try scratching some interior details.
3. Where can I go to see your kitmaker photos?
4. Can you buy any books on scratchbuilding or can you get easy reference here or online? Plans of WWII tank interiors & possibly newer tanks?
Many thanks,
Kenny.
I've never scratchbuilt anything before, so being on a tight budget at the moment I'd like to try. I'll need to get some plastic card & other stuff that I'll need so any help with a minimum of what materials I'd need would also be helpful.
1. I'm not sure of scale thicknesses so any help there would be great, (it's not like some kit parts are correctly sized, like the German tank skirts etc).
2. For tanks I was thinking more interiors than exterior, maybe the skirts, fenders etc. I'd like to try scratching some interior details.
3. Where can I go to see your kitmaker photos?
4. Can you buy any books on scratchbuilding or can you get easy reference here or online? Plans of WWII tank interiors & possibly newer tanks?
Many thanks,
Kenny.
Babcat
Michigan, United States
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Posted: Monday, February 09, 2009 - 11:02 AM UTC
Kenny,
Wow, you're making me put on my thinking cap now. Give me a little time on this and I will see what I can come up with. Shep Paine was my inspiration way back when http://www.itzproductions.com/Misc_Pages/shep_paine.htm
As far as the pictures go, that is easy just click on the photo button up top of this entry.
For me, it's just fun and I don't get too hung up on "exact". Most of the research is just old photos, other kits, museums, etc...
I'll think some more...
Good Luck
Jonathan
Wow, you're making me put on my thinking cap now. Give me a little time on this and I will see what I can come up with. Shep Paine was my inspiration way back when http://www.itzproductions.com/Misc_Pages/shep_paine.htm
As far as the pictures go, that is easy just click on the photo button up top of this entry.
For me, it's just fun and I don't get too hung up on "exact". Most of the research is just old photos, other kits, museums, etc...
I'll think some more...
Good Luck
Jonathan
Babcat
Michigan, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 02:22 PM UTC
When is a flat tire good? When you make it yourself!
So here is my homemade flat...
cut...
add epoxy putty...
paint...
And of course, test fit it on the diorama!
Well, we will just have to se what tomorrow brings...
Aloha
Jonathan
So here is my homemade flat...
cut...
add epoxy putty...
paint...
And of course, test fit it on the diorama!
Well, we will just have to se what tomorrow brings...
Aloha
Jonathan
Cuhail
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 04:28 PM UTC
AWESOME build, babcat! Finer than frog hair! The ONLY thing I think you can do better with is the flat tire. When a tire goes flat like that, it tends to separate from the rim most, if not all, the way around the rim. I'd do a bit of trimming in the valley between the tire and the rim in a couple of places.
(In that whole explaination, I never used the phrase "Break the bead". How odd.)
Other than that, I am totally impressed. Your technique using the foil to re-make the front clip is great. I stored that in the old cranial filebox.
Cuhail
orange_3D
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 04:53 PM UTC
nice, i like it! These kinds of posts are always inspirational, makes feel like doing something like this is well within my grasp. Keep it going
Babcat
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 09:17 PM UTC
Cuhail,
Got it, I did a little scraping to give it some waves down low so mabye a litte deeper under the rim there would help.
Thanks
Jonathan
Got it, I did a little scraping to give it some waves down low so mabye a litte deeper under the rim there would help.
Thanks
Jonathan
Babcat
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Posted: Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 02:20 PM UTC
All right, first the reworked flat tire. There is pretty good seperation there, I think?
And a couple more shots with small updates, siren, guard, rear bumpers, steering wheel...
And that is all for now...
I still need to tackle that window frame, maybe tomorrow night.
And a couple more shots with small updates, siren, guard, rear bumpers, steering wheel...
And that is all for now...
I still need to tackle that window frame, maybe tomorrow night.
okdoky
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Posted: Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 02:35 PM UTC
Nice Work
Looking forward to seeing how you tackle the window frame on this.
Is there any way you could cut out a rubber tyre leaving just the wheel and use bits of another tyre to get a more distorted and parted look to the deflated wheel as if the rubber was shedding slightly off the rim in places and folded with the thin metal wheel rim showing in places?
It is really coming together.
Nige
Looking forward to seeing how you tackle the window frame on this.
Is there any way you could cut out a rubber tyre leaving just the wheel and use bits of another tyre to get a more distorted and parted look to the deflated wheel as if the rubber was shedding slightly off the rim in places and folded with the thin metal wheel rim showing in places?
It is really coming together.
Nige
Abydos
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Posted: Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 03:01 PM UTC
Jon, like i said before very nice and clean job "clapping". Now a few things to think about for more detail, water hoses, also on the fenders, there are two brackets or clips one on each side, which are used to hold the hood down, battery in front, drivers side, main brake housing on drivers side. But seriously you are doing a really great job, keep it up.
Babcat
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Posted: Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 09:38 PM UTC
Morning Guys,
Nige I like that idea and I think it will be one of those things that I will be experimenting with on the side. I was going to flatten another tire or two on the jeep, but I need to practice on some junk box wheels first.
William, those clips are another head scratcher for me, I know I need them, but I just havn't settled on how to build them yet. As far as the interior goes, I'm just not sure how much detail I will put in with the hood only partially open and the position of the jeep on the diorama. I did grab a quick shot of the engine compartment (a little fuzzy though, sorry) and found the web site I'm using for the undamaged reference.
http://jeepdraw.com/Als_MB.html
Ok, gotta rush off to work, always interrupting my building!
Bye now
Jonathan
Nige I like that idea and I think it will be one of those things that I will be experimenting with on the side. I was going to flatten another tire or two on the jeep, but I need to practice on some junk box wheels first.
William, those clips are another head scratcher for me, I know I need them, but I just havn't settled on how to build them yet. As far as the interior goes, I'm just not sure how much detail I will put in with the hood only partially open and the position of the jeep on the diorama. I did grab a quick shot of the engine compartment (a little fuzzy though, sorry) and found the web site I'm using for the undamaged reference.
http://jeepdraw.com/Als_MB.html
Ok, gotta rush off to work, always interrupting my building!
Bye now
Jonathan
Babcat
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Posted: Friday, February 13, 2009 - 05:42 PM UTC
OK, tonight I tackled the hinge for the hood...
...and the frame for the window...
...that's it for me tonight!
Aloha
Jonathan
...and the frame for the window...
...that's it for me tonight!
Aloha
Jonathan