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Campaign in the Pacific
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Posted: Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 03:24 AM UTC
Michael, it pretty much looks like my M4A2 is a scaled down version of yours. In my kit I had three of those bolt strips and two were on the rather thin side. I also had several transmission covers. You can find a build review of your kit HERE. It seems from a quick perusal of the article that there are a few issues with the kit. Here is the reviewers photo of his front end.

For discussion purposes only.



Two things that I notice in the picture above. The first is that it looks like the builder had to fill between the transmission housing and the bolt strip. The second is that the housing has lugs on it for the towing eyes. Neither yours nor mine has these lugs.

HTH,
Jan
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Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 01:33 AM UTC
I am junping in a little late in this campaign, but better late than never. I am building the Dragon 1/35 Sherman Tarawa.

I will probably build the Condor, Charlie, or Colorado tank as I have found pictures of these on the net.

More to follow soon
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Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 01:42 AM UTC
Jan, thanks for the information and link! I got some work done last night and I'm feeling a little better about the gap. My kit does have the lugs for the tran. housing, but I haven't added them yet. It's odd that they aren't included in the braille kit.

Jesper, I'm working on the same kit and ran into a fit problem where the transmission housing meets the bolt strip. If you don't mind, can you let me know if you have the same problem?

Michael
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Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 03:42 AM UTC
Jan,
Nice work. If it was easy we would find something else to do. Working on something that small I think you’re doing great.

Michael,
WOW. The only thing that might have caused it is the side inserts were not placed far enough back in the sides. I could tell will a bottom photo. Even if they were I think I would have cut off the bottom before I would have placed an insert strip on the top. Very hard dilemma, about the only thing left would be to cut it off and readjust it farther back into the hull, until the housing touched the strip, the bottom you won’t see unless you pick up the model, which is why models are screwed down onto a diorama. If you want to try it I can look up in my parts box for a spare housing and inserts.

Jasper,
Welcome Aboard. I have a ton of photos for Tarawa, let me know if you need something specific and I can email them to you.

Just a little more work completed on the Composite, I have almost the entire lower hull completed and the rear wader scratch built. I also started on the palm trees and logs I’ll need. I finished the string but I couldn’t find my “no print, design” toilet paper for the covering. I’ll have to take some pics so you can see what I mean.

Thanks guys for the updates, and let me know if I can help in any way,
Bob
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Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 03:56 AM UTC
You know, I didn't even think about cutting the bottom. That would have made more sense. I set the side inserts on the supports as far back as they could go. That's why I couldn't figure out what I did wrong. Oh well. I appreciate the offer for replacement parts, but I'll just move forward with a screwy housing. You live and learn.

This just means I'll have to pick up another fresh kit and try again one day. Maybe for the tail end of the upcoming Sherman campaign.

Michael
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 03:19 AM UTC
Michael,
I’ve been debating with myself all week on suggesting this, and since there are no updates of suggestions from anyone here goes; you can always cover up the problem with plywood or cement.
Here are 2 suggestions;

Cement

Plywood


I’ll supply any needed info if you decide to go this route.
Gotta Love those Marines....
Bob
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 03:51 AM UTC
Jan Etal- Tread_Geek m4a2 Tarawa- Painting stage
Gabriel Aleman- Gabe M4a2 Saipan- working on upper hull
Robert Rippy- Bigrip74-
m3a1 stuart- upper hull construction
Bob Card- BobCard- m4a2 Adamzapple- Ready for paint, IJA type 97, paint on
Calvin ng- Calvin_ng M5a1 stuart kwajelein atoll- Upper hull read for paint
Billy Cash Guille- IJN Yukikaze 1/350 - unknown 1/48 scale KI-46 Dinah- progressing steadily
Russ Amott- Russamotto- Hellcat (aircraft)-Interior work
P-40? - decaling stage, M5a1 stuart in dio
Michael Armbrister- Moplongo- M4a2 sherman, upper hull constructed
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 05:43 AM UTC
Hi Guys,
Just finished up over at the Tank Overhaul Campaign and I am waiting for the Sherman Campaign to start. So being that ankle surgery set for next week I will have some additional down time. Then for a birthday gift I just got an Italeri LVT-4 Water Buffalo in 1/35scale. That coupled with the fact that I have been reading and watching the Pacific, I figured I would jump in on this one. More research, documentation and pictures will be forth coming.
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 05:49 AM UTC
Thanks Calvin for the updated list. Don't forget David's USS Roberts, he is the first to legally finish the campaign.

Sal,
Welcome aboard. There are plenty of knowledgeable folks here to help, so ask away if you need any help with your research.

Bob
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Posted: Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 03:37 AM UTC

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Sal,
Welcome aboard. There are plenty of knowledgeable folks here to help, so ask away if you need any help with your research.

Bob


Ok Guys, got started on the LVT-4 but have come up with my first questions.
I know that it was used on Iwo Jima but Wikipedia says that the 1st Marine Division was not in that battle, but when you look up John Basilone it says that he was in the 7th Marine Regiment which was part of the 1st Marine Division. This has me confused I'm not from the military. So the question is was the 1st Division at Iwo Jima?
Second question @ Bob
the parallel white strips in the photos you posted of the LVT on Iwo, were they on all sides or just 3? and why were they there if you know?
Thanks guys some pictures should be up later tonight.
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Posted: Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 06:03 AM UTC
I have managed to do a bit more work on the figures. Still have a ways to go but here is how the look right now.





Not much, but it is proof that I have been doing some work. There are a lot of good builds going on here. Keep going.
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Posted: Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 08:12 AM UTC
Russ, very nice job on the figures. I particularly like the helmets on the Marines. If I really feel masochistic I'll have to try that in 1/72.

@Calvin - I am just doing a bit of preshading although I have most of the plastic parts on (maybe about a dozen left).

I had a small mishap and my M4 experienced an unexpected run in with gravity. Damage wasn't too bad but finding a couple of the smaller parts on the floor proved time consuming. Worst part was that the mantlet snapped and it was a pain getting back on so that the barrel could still elevate. Despite that I made more progress. I decided to keep the drivers hatch closed as I didn't have any suitable figures (all I have is German panzer and modern U.S. tankers). I've also been trying to build up the broken left front lifting eye with little success.



Got the PE on the tail lights and had my first ever attempt at bending PE light guards. I think that they actually turned out not bad. You can see the first bending attempt on the rear deck.



Now to bend up the other and try my hand at the headlight guards.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 08:44 AM UTC
Hi Guys, Next question. The Italeir box art depicts the LVT-4 landed on a beach with 2 .30cal. machine guns on either side. However all of the photos that I have seen don't have them. So the question is where these placed there by the Marines on the way to the landing and then removed by them when they disembarked to be used by the machine gun teams or did Italeir take a liberty with their artwork?
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Posted: Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 11:36 AM UTC
@ Russ: nice job on the helmets. How did you do the camo (what size brush)?

@ Jan: that M4 is coming along nicely.

Maybe my M3 will be in company soon.

Bob
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Posted: Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 01:24 PM UTC
Robert, I used a fine liner brush. I think it is a 5/0. I tried a shorter 5/0 brush but kept getting a round dot. The longer bristles on the liner brush let me shape a little more, but I had to clean the brush after each blob because the paint dried on it so quickly.
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Posted: Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 04:22 PM UTC
Hi Guys
Like I said I would get some pictures up tonight. Got a lot of work done today. Here is what it looked like yesterday when I got it
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Today's progress didn't realize how big these thing were
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And the foward.ma duce's
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Comments, suggestions, Ill take any help I can get.
Cheers
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Posted: Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 04:51 PM UTC
@ Russ: after posting on your figures I found that some use toothpicks for painting small items.

@ Sal: looks like you made a lot of progress yesterday.

Bob
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Posted: Sunday, May 09, 2010 - 11:15 AM UTC
I have watching this build with great interest... I have also been watching the HBO the pacific... Question what color is the Marine Shermans in the pacific I am ready to paint olive drab and notice the Marine Sherman have more of a color of Russian Armour? What do you think?

Michael
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Posted: Monday, May 10, 2010 - 02:58 AM UTC
Sal,
Great work on your LVT, all in a short period of time. Let me try and answer some of your questions.
On the strips they denoted the beach they were landing on and were always on the two sides and sometimes on the rear. The mg’s on the box art is just that, art. Unless you’re picking a specific photo to recreate then I wouldn’t worry about it. The mg’s stayed with the LVT’s as long as it was in operation. If knocked out on the beach some were removed to be used by the Marines. As can be seen by the photos some used the flat shields, some curved and some none at all.

Russ,
Nice start on the figures, you seem to have the helmets done perfect. The rest should come together as well.

Jan,
You are still amazing me on your build, sorry to hear about the physics lesion but your still moving along nicely.

Michael,
That color question can be long drawn out and tedious. They came out of the factory OD. From there the Marines worked on them to satisfy what they wanted to cover during each battle. To the point where when applying camo they were applied using swabs. (Mops to non-squids) No one knows the color to a certainty. All depends on location. Best guess would be faded OD and plenty of dirt. Remember the HBO show is just that, a show and is lacking in historical accuracy.

I on the other hand have been working on my bases. I have them laid out and am working on the trees and construction of the various items I need, once I have them about 50% I will then start introducing the vehicles and finishing construction and weathering.

Thanks everyone for the updates and keep plugging away.
Bob
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Posted: Monday, May 10, 2010 - 04:25 AM UTC

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Remember the HBO show is just that, a show and is lacking in historical accuracy.



Hi Bob, Thanks for the help. As for the above I noticed that a lot of the trucks that they use in the show are very green. cant be accurate.
By the way were you working on a Jap T-97? I did 1 last month over on Axis of Armor Campaign. Would be nice to see how yours turned out. thanks again.
Sal
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Posted: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 11:45 AM UTC
The color of the vehicles goes on ..I have a friend who is a Marine Iwo Jima survior... He still sharp and has a good memory. He remembers that the color as being a what he calls a funny green he called it, not olive drab as the Army used.
The other freind said that the Marines used a different color state side and another color in the pacific for vehicles...

How about some more feed back? Michael
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Posted: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 03:06 PM UTC

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I've been debating with myself all week on suggesting this, and since there are no updates of suggestions from anyone here goes; you can always cover up the problem with plywood or cement.

I'll supply any needed info if you decide to go this route.
Gotta Love those Marines....
Bob



Bob, good ideas. I'm considering the plywood option, since I could apply some paint and see how it looks. I know the gap is blatant, but part of me just wants to run with it. I pretty much finished the build last week before you posted those options, so let me know what you think. I'm using Photo 8 from Zaloga's article as my primary reference, because I want my scene to show the Marines moving down the tail of the island on Nov. 22nd and 23rd.







Thanks for your help and suggestions!
Michael
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Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 03:53 AM UTC
Michael (mzaborsk)
The problem does not reside with the Veterans memory but with what the color might be. Here are 3 photos of the same vehicle. Which color is the funny green?





You see the problem, if the color really becomes a problem you end up using your best guess anyway.

From network 54;

Ed Gilbert
Seriously, the issue of USMC colors is the AFV modeler's "trail of tears"; long and filled with bitterness.

What you have to bear in mind is that the USMC procured vehicles through three different "pipelines".

USMC procurement pipeline: International trucks*, some jeeps, some engineer equipment (primarily tractors) - Forest Green, AKA "Marine Green". They were primary purchaser and could specify color. Some pre-war vehicles might be repainted at USMC depots. Refurbished vehicles from USMC depots later in the war might be repainted, but most such refurbished pieces were used as training or "administrative" (rear area service) vehicles.

Army procurement pipeline - tanks, halftracks, some jeeps, a few specialist trucks, automobiles, most engineer equipment. The Army dominated the procurement process, and no way the WPB was going to halt a production line to produce a small batch of one-off types. In fact, brand new tanks were issued from Army stores just before each operation.

Navy procurement pipeline - early LVTs, which were considered "naval vessels" and therefore painted gray. The classic story is that color footage taken at Tarawa and a few other places was spliced into the black and white film "The Sands of Iwo Jima". When Ted Turner colorized that film - they turned the LVTs green.

Brian Colburn
And many color photos have incorrect color hues because of the type of color film or transparency film used, the exposure settings, ambient lighting, etc. Generally transparency film increases contrast and color saturation. Some color film gives more pastel colors than the original, decreasing color saturation.

Oh, and some "color film" isn't even color film at all. It's three black and white negatives that are simultaneously exposed to an image that's split by mirrors and passed through filters, such as red, blue and green. These are called "tri-color cameras", and are similar to the Technicolor process used by Hollywood. Some of these cameras are quite accurate for color rendition. Some aren't. Especially those that only use the two-color red-green process.

Ed Gilbert
The color film shot in WW2 was very sensitive to storage temperature, and the combat photographer often spent days dragging it through the heat (up to 115F/46C ambient air temperature, much hotter inside a dark cloth bag) before it could be processed. This was still a problem in Vietnam; just look at any of the personal, military photographer's, or wire service photos taken there. I often ran into this problem myself when I was doing field work in remote regions.

Water temperature control in processing was another problem. Color film is very sensitive to temperature in processing. In the Pacific most of the processing was done aboard ship, with poor temperature control.


Michael (mopnglo)
Still turned out great, nice rack and cans also…….
I agree with you, just run with it.

Thanks Guys,
Bob
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Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 06:51 AM UTC
So, how GREEN is your green mine comes out of a bottle Bob and what ever it comes out as is what I get.



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Posted: Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 05:21 PM UTC

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So, how GREEN is your green mine comes out of a bottle Bob and what ever it comes out as is what I get.
Bob (Robert)


Hi Guys,
My green came out of a Testors spray can
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Straight OOB build. Added the markings that came with the kit and found this Tamyia Marine from a Ford GPA kit lying around and repainted him.
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Also added some scuffing to the floor, ramp and grab handles but I am completely lost on how to weather the outside hull and tracks
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any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. By the way I don't own an air brush yet so please hold those suggestions. Thanks you guy here are great.