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Campaign in the Pacific
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Posted: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 09:01 AM UTC
Hi guys. I haven't officially enlisted yet as I need to know if this kit qualifies and what else I might have to do.



I have an in-box review that I just submitted the other day and was thinking of doing a build review. I also have a question. Does anyone know what the names of the two Shermans that weren't knocked out of action during the fighting on Tarawa?

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 10:16 AM UTC

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Hi guys. I haven't officially enlisted yet as I need to know if this kit qualifies and what else I might have to do.



I have an in-box review that I just submitted the other day and was thinking of doing a build review. I also have a question. Does anyone know what the names of the two Shermans that weren't knocked out of action during the fighting on Tarawa?

Cheers,
Jan



Hello Jan,
Yep Tarawa qualifies as Pacific Theater WWII.
Company HQ, China Gal and Chicago
1st Platoon, Cobra, Cecilia, Clipper, Cherokee
2nd Platoon, 2 unknown, Commando, Cuddles
3rd Platoon, Cannonball, Colorado, Charlie, Condor
From Tarawa on the Web
Depending on how exact a model you want to do I should be able to come up with a few things that may help in your build. Like the water can rack and specific items found on the tanks. Or even if you decide to use the tank except change the location to Peleliu, Okinawa, Saipan, Tinian, Guam or Roi-Namur(C Co. only) a whole lot of possibilities with the M4A2.
Hopefully you decide to join on,
Bob


Looking forward to seeing your inbox and build reviews.

Sorry seems I miss read your question Jan, Thanks Doug.
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Posted: Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 02:35 AM UTC

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It almost looks like she is numbered 1?4. Is Nannie written on the side of the turret under the strap/device thingy?

I have however started the cockpit of the Hellcat.



Russ,
The breakdown of the Stuarts at Saipan seems to go like this;
24 total Satan’s, 12 to 2nd Div and 12 to 4th Div. Each made up D Company of each Battalion
The M5A1’s provided escort service one to each Company which would make it 6 total M5A1’s ashore.
The Symbol on the side of Margaret is 135 in a half circle which means
Half Circle - 4th Tank Battalion
One - Divisional HQ
Three - 3rd Battalion
Five- D Company
Nanny should be the same except a 2 instead of a 1. (Conjecture since I can’t see the actual symbol)
They usually kept to the same method during a campaign so I would say yes Nanny should be on both sides, just like Margaret.
I’m still working on a plane for another Campaign but this thing is big a 1/48 PBY, I think I’m running out of paint. Can’t wait to see some pics of the Hellcat.
Hope everyone is getting off to a better start then me,
Bob


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Posted: Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 03:20 AM UTC

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Does anyone know what the names of the two Shermans that weren't knocked out of action during the fighting on Tarawa?



Colorado and China Gal.

-Doug
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Posted: Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 05:29 AM UTC
Thanks Bob and Doug for the information and yes I decided to enlist. Of the seven decal options, one is for Colorado. Another one of the options is for a company D tank named Destroyer that has some very interesting markings. Unlike the company C tanks it has the name in white (as opposed to yellow for C company), has a white star on the hull side with white bars on either side and the name Donna near the base of the gun tube. It makes the C company tanks look kind of dull but I have been unable to confirm that D company was actually deployed on the island. If I can't get any information to support the existence of "Destroyer" involved in the battle I'll just do Colorado.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 05:51 AM UTC

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Thanks Bob and Doug for the information and yes I decided to enlist. Of the seven decal options, one is for Colorado. Another one of the options is for a company D tank named Destroyer that has some very interesting markings. Unlike the company C tanks it has the name in white (as opposed to yellow for C company), has a white star on the hull side with white bars on either side and the name Donna near the base of the gun tube. It makes the C company tanks look kind of dull but I have been unable to confirm that D company was actually deployed on the island. If I can't get any information to support the existence of "Destroyer" involved in the battle I'll just do Colorado.



Hi Jan,

Welcome aboard.

It is possible to model some of the other C company tanks on Tarawa using the provided decal sheet. Just mix and match letters from the tank names provided. You can use the same trick to modify serial numbers, but working with such tiny decals takes a lot of patience.

"Destroyer" was used on a different island--I believe it was Peleliu. The only medium tanks on Tarawa were in C company.

All of the mediums on Tarawa carried a rack for 8 water cans on the tail plate. They showed a mixture of both smooth and flared 75mm barrels. If I recall correctly, some or all tanks lacked springs on hull hatches. Headlights were generally stowed, unlike the box art.

-Doug
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Posted: Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 06:22 AM UTC

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Hi Jan,

Welcome aboard.

It is possible to model some of the other C company tanks on Tarawa using the provided decal sheet. Just mix and match letters from the tank names provided. You can use the same trick to modify serial numbers, but working with such tiny decals takes a lot of patience.



Doug, I just finished a 1/144 Tomcat for an Aeroscale campaign so 1/72 scale decals are positively huge.


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"Destroyer" was used on a different island--I believe it was Peleliu. The only medium tanks on Tarawa were in C company.

All of the mediums on Tarawa carried a rack for 8 water cans on the tail plate. They showed a mixture of both smooth and flared 75mm barrels. If I recall correctly, some or all tanks lacked springs on hull hatches. Headlights were generally stowed, unlike the box art.



I noticed the racks in a couple of pictures (including Bob's Sherman) and was thinking about it. I have a PE rack from a previous Sherman build that I think I can modify to look like the right kind. From what I can tell the rack sits lower on the rear than other Shermans that I've built. I didn't notice the lack of headlights in many of the pictures I looked at so thanks for pointing that out. The kit also has separate springs for the hull hatches and they are positively miniscule. I'll have to research and think on that issue a bit.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 07:24 AM UTC
Welcome Aboard Jan,
Maybe I can help on a couple of items.
I'm not sure what you'll be able to see in 1/72 or 1/48 for that matter but the main things For the C Company tanks are that they all had the water can rack, air deflector, no headlights and 50 cal mg's which were stowed or reused after the initial landing. Something’s that might make a difference are that the weld lines for the rear tools were there but not the tools or mounts, I could see no chains for the headlight mount covers on any photo, the tube seems to mounted on the base and not the headlight guard. And a few others I'll have to dig to find but will probably be too hard to see.
Here are 2 photos of Colorado that should help and the drawing I made from some photos that showed the locations of the rear items mentioned earlier.



The last item is from Tank Battles in the Pacific noted in an earlier post and has the description for info;

Hopefully I helped a little,
Bob


And I just found the photo that shows where everything went;
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Posted: Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 08:56 AM UTC
Thanks for the incredible information, Bob. It's still early, and I usually build rather slowly, but I am strongly leaning toward the Destroyer (thanks to your picture legitimizing it). With the can rack in place I don't think that one will see much of the rear plate but if I built the kit OOB the instructions show mounting a sledge hammer and large wrench on the plate. The exhaust deflector is another issue. I have some .010" styrene that might serve the purpose or perhaps get a thin sheet of brass sheeting.

I've got two other projects for campaigns that I'm involved with but I couldn't help get started on the Sherman (in the past I usually only join one campaign at a time). Working in small scale requires patience and time. Here's the parts that make up one bogie.





Here's one complete bogie being held together by self locking tweezers. For scale reference the jaws of those tweezers are 1.5" (40 mm) long.



Here's one set done.



Finally a picture of the completed bogies dry-fitted on the hull.



Total time to craft the six suspension units was about two and a half hours. That includes cutting, filing, glue drying time and gap filling with putty. Next up is to clean up the filled areas with jewellers files. From past experience all the little nooks and crannies in the VVSS suspension normally don't get reached by paint from the airbrush so some brush painting will follow after the cleanup.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 09:14 AM UTC
Wow that is small.
The photo of Destroyer is after Guam, way past Tarawa. No need of the rack on the back and you can make it right out of the box, all tools in place. Photo was taken on Iwo Jima. Here are a couple of photos of other 3rd TB tanks on Iwo;


No Tarawa for Destroyer, but a perfect match for IWO.
Only thing that needs to be added are the waders which are the 55 gal drum variety and the rebar on the rear to hold cargo from falling off. From the photo of Destroyer it doesn't look like the rebar is there.
Bob
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Posted: Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 11:14 AM UTC
Hello Everyone...

I'd like to join up with this campaign.

My entry will be Tamiya's F4F-4

representing an aircraft from VGF-29 aboard the USS Santee (an Escort Carrier)

I've found the following photo of the aircaft in squadrons F4F book..



and here isthe relevent excert from the USS Santee's naval record....for the time frame that she carried wildcat fighters...


Emptied of her P-38 cargo, SANTEE departed Glasgow in
convoy on 13 January and returned to Norfolk on the 24th.
She stood out of Norfolk on 13 February with destroyer
escort TATUM (DE-789), transited the Panama Canal on 18 and
19 February and moored at San Diego on the 28th. There,

SANTEE embarked 300 Navy and Marine Corps personnel and 31
aircraft for delivery to Pearl Harbor. She also took on 24
Wildcat fighters and Avenger dive bombers as her own
instruments of war.


Standing out of San Diego Bay on 2 March, the CVE
unloaded her ferried aircraft and personnel at Pearl Harbor
upon her arrival on the 9th.


Escort carriers SANGAMON (CVE-26), SUWANEE (CVE-27),
CHENANGO (CVE-28) and SANTEE, all former oilers, swarmed out
of Pearl Harbor with a flock of destroyers on 15 March,
heading southwest. Designated Carrier Division (CarDiv) 22,
they joined the fast carriers of the 5th Fleet on 27 March
and sped west to the Palaus. There, their planes of CarDiv
22 flew patrols over vulnerable tankers before setting
course for Espiritu Santo in the New Hebrides on 4 April.

In this, the closing phase of the New Guinea campaign,
SANTEE fueled and provisioned near Espiritu Santo from 7 to
10 April; then sailed to Purvis Bay, Solomons, on the 13th.
CarDiv 22 joined CarDiv 24 and a destroyer squadron on 16
April and set course for New Guinea.

SANTEE's air group aircraft aided in destroying 100
enemy aircraft and ripping up enemy airfields before the
landings, prior to departing for Manus Island, Admiralties,
on 24 April. Arriving at Seeadler Harbor the next day,

SANTEE and her sister ships took on fuel and food; then
sailed again on the 26th for Hollandia. From 12 May through
1 June, SANTEE traded in her own air arm for 66 Corsairs and
15 Hellcats and personnel of Marine Air Group 21.


I hope this fits in with the spirit of the campaign.

thanks
Delbert
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Posted: Friday, December 11, 2009 - 02:11 AM UTC
Welcome aboard Delbert,
Excellent information and it fits in perfectly.
1/48 scale Wildcat, everyone is going small; I need double magnification just to work on 1/35.
Looking forward to your build,
Bob


Just noticed we are up to 26 enlistees. How does everyone feel about keeping a running status on everyones build? Just name, model, and short status note?

If I can get Calvin to answer my question on decals maybe I can talk him into helping on this if it is a go. Calvin.........
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Posted: Friday, December 11, 2009 - 08:25 AM UTC
I like the idea of keeping status reports on everyone's builds. I like to see what people are doing. It helps me stay motivated and maybe see how to do something the right way.

No photos yet, but I started the etch assembly of the cockpit. I can barely see half the parts I'm putting in. I like the inclusion of the etch in the Eduard kit, and the instructions are clear, with full color images of each of the four options. I wish they would do that with armor kits.
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Posted: Friday, December 11, 2009 - 09:31 AM UTC
Hi guys, sorry ive been a bit MIA lately, just manage to get on for a little while, though i dont have much knowledge to share, i am willing to help. Bob incoming PM sorry about m tardyness
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Posted: Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 07:12 PM UTC
I've been reviewing photos of other M5A1s from the 44th tank battalion web site. On their early model turrets they placed the cleaning rods for the 37mm gun on the side of the tank with the two pieces set between the grousers and the base for the .30 cal mg. The object on the side of Nannie's turret may be the cleaning rods.
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Posted: Sunday, December 13, 2009 - 03:38 PM UTC
Hi :
I will gonna start my participation in this campaign with an M4A2 in Saipan.. I will use the road wheels from the M4A2 late PTO from Dragon and the rest comes from the M4A2 early sherman Tarawa..

The initial stages are pretty straighforward as you know, begining with the road wheels and the whole suspension..

Bob send me the parts for the wading stacks (thanks again) .. and I´ve made a trial and error scracht part taken the measuraments from such kit part.. but at final I will use the stack from the kit part .. I made with estirene the conector to the tank..

The front hoods were enlargered with 1mm estirene sheet because the front visors are too close to the front.

this is the photo report from this week..













The front hoods with the estirene grousers.





This is my try to model a stack with an estirene ruler.. .







Thanks for looking... any comments????..

Saludos.. I´m still aboard!!!..
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Posted: Monday, December 14, 2009 - 02:24 AM UTC
Russ, Nice find on the cleaning rods. Never even occurred to me that is what they could have been.

Gabriel, looks like a great start. I completely forgot about those hoods, I’d better go back to my references before I get started. Excellent job on the waders, might take a couple of coats of paint to cover the Coke logo. Looking good so far.
Thanks for the update,
Bob
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Posted: Thursday, December 17, 2009 - 02:15 AM UTC
I guess we will try the list of progress and see how it works out.
Calvin will be making up the list and noting on each what is known or unknown. If you would like to update the list without making a post to do so, please contact Calvin to let him know what you want changed.

I know a lot is going on this part of the month and I myself are about neck deep in getting everything done. So I just wanted to say MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR and here’s hoping everyone has a great Holiday Season.
Bob
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Posted: Thursday, December 17, 2009 - 02:44 AM UTC
Well. I'm back and have gotten settled into the daily routine after our trip overseas. At this time, narrowed it down to either the Tamiya Type 1 or the Fine Molds Type 3 MBTs. Hope to have a decision in the next day or so and start assembly this weekend. If I opt for the Tamiya, will have to order a set of Friul track as well. I did pick up the Mr Colour IJA armour paint sets in Tokyo, and am looking forward to giving them a try!

In the meantime, trying to meet the deadlines for the Cold War and Get the Job done again campaigns. It's pretty bad when I can't complete a half finished kit in 6 months!

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Posted: Thursday, December 17, 2009 - 02:54 AM UTC

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In the meantime, trying to meet the deadlines for the Cold War and Get the Job done again campaigns. It's pretty bad when I can't complete a half finished kit in 6 months!



I am in the exact same boat. I must resist the urge to start my project for Campaign in the Pacific until I finish my M4A3(105) for Get the Job Done Again. That one is taking f o r e v e r.

Good luck!

-Doug
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In the meantime, trying to meet the deadlines for the Cold War and Get the Job done again campaigns. It's pretty bad when I can't complete a half finished kit in 6 months!



I am in the exact same boat. I must resist the urge to start my project for Campaign in the Pacific until I finish my M4A3(105) for Get the Job Done Again. That one is taking f o r e v e r.

Good luck!

-Doug



Exactly, I just finished up my Seaplane entry so now the work bench is cleared, not counting the Christmas items of course.

Grant, welcome back, nice to see your trip was uneventful.

Doug, I had to drop out of Get the job done again campaign, or I would have had 3 more to add when the next Get it done again campaign starts up.

Bob

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Grant, welcome back, nice to see your trip was uneventful.

Bob




Well, actually it was very eventful, but all of it good. Between the hobby shops and visiting Yasakuni Shrine, it certainly put me in the right frame of mind to build some Japanese armour!
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 09:43 AM UTC
All good plans.....

My update for the weekend;




After which I decided I'd better re-check my references. The rear 55 gal stack is supposed to lay right against the rear plate and nort away from it. I now have to figure out the best way to modify the stacks to make them work.



Should be interesting,
Bob
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Posted: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 08:02 AM UTC
Not sure if anyone heard about this, just saw a brief preview/interview on HBO last night.. a new mini series like Band of Brothers coming in March called 'The Pacific' tells a story of GIs in the Pacific in WWII. Looks to be real promising ! Especially from Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg.
http://www.hbo.com/events/pacific/
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Posted: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 08:47 AM UTC
Jan Etal- Tread_Geek m4a2 Tarawa- Progressing steadily
Gabriel Aleman- Gabe M4a2 Saipan- Just started
Robert Rippy- Bigrip74- M4a2 Iwo Jima/ M4 hybrid Phillipines- Unknown status
Bob Card- BobCard- m4a2 Adamzapple- just started
Calvin ng- Calvin_ng M5a1 stuart kwajelein atoll- not yet started
Thats it so far guys, I hope i did a good job?