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Dieppe Dingo HELEN Build
csmanning
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Posted: Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 03:50 PM UTC
Hey Everyone

Here's my second instalment to my Dieppe DIo. This is my build log of my Daimler Dingo Scout Car MK II name HELEN. This scout car was towed ashore during the Dieppe Raid by a Churchill MK I tank BOLSTER. I have two images of HELEN after the battle. One of which can be found on page 7 and 26 of Hugh Henry's "Through The Lens - Dieppe". Unfortunately my scanner is acting up so you'll have to trust me. The other which gives a great view of the RHS can be found in the Bundesarchive. Here it is:

csmanning
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Posted: Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 04:01 PM UTC
One Important note before We being... Miniart released a Dingo Mk Ib with Dieppe markings... There was only Dingo at Dieppe that has Mk Ib atributes (but may not have been at all)... and that's HUNTER. All other Dingos were MK IIs so make sure you get the right Miniart kit!

So onto the build.... I had to follow a different strategy on this build whereby I built and painted the interior prior to finishing the exterior.



These are part of the suspension/wheel assembly... look carefully as there are missing nobs/tabs on the support arms that can easily be seen in the instructions. This made this assembly the most difficult out of the whole build.



Since I couldn't find any good reference photos of the interior during WW2.. I assumed the interior was painted the exterior color. I used the walk around photos in the "Walk Around" gallery here on Armorama as reference.

The PE included in the kit is pretty simple so I improved the armoured window levers by adding rivet heads and a handle.



I added a map board to the LHS interior.



Here's the interior front drive windows and roof hatch. I removed the leather padding as it was no visible in the actual photos.



After painting




I also enhanced some of the outside using ET Models PE Set for the Miniart kit.


All Together


Scratch built the antenna mast as it none showed the typical English style ring.

csmanning
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Posted: Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 04:14 PM UTC
There are two major field modifications that were applied to the Dingos at Dieppe.

Muffler extensions. I scratch built the muffler extensions using LionRoar's brass tubing (1.5mm). I personally thought the Miniart muffler was underscaled. I bent the tubing by placing a brass rod inside and bent the tube accordingly around another metal rod. Here are my results:



Here I've added the pioneer tools. Most of the Dieppe Dingos had an extra handle behind the shovel. I "borrowed" one from my DML Tarawa Sherman Kit.


The One major piece missing from the Miniart kit is the complete bracket to mount the sand troughs (or whatever they were officially used for. The Miniart kit includes over simplified plastic parts which represent these mounting brackets. These are clearing shown on the box are, but are poorly represented in the kit.

Here's an image, though this is a different MK of Dingo:



Here's the ET Models replacement:



I actually cut off the rear tail light "bulges" and used them s the bolts or retaining heads. then added the ET Models handles and put a bolt head on top of it.



Here's the straps for the gasoline cans for the LHS. In the photos there were no cans present. You can also see my rear tail light improvements. as they were of a different style to those included in the kit.


The Second Major field modification was the U channel bumper installed on the rear of all the Dingos. I used 1/8" U channel form Evergreen styrene. I scratch built a mounting bracket out of brass sheet and added some rivet heads for detail.

csmanning
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Posted: Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 04:22 PM UTC
Damn - I forgot to click "this is a Build Log" Anybody know how to do it after the fact??
SdAufKla
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Posted: Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 05:04 PM UTC
Carmen,

Sorry, I can't help with the build log icon, but I would like to say that I'm loving the build-up so far.

How are you finding the ET photoetch set to work with? I looks pretty comprehensive.

Anyways, looking forward to seeing more. Thanks for sharing.

Mike
csmanning
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Posted: Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 05:19 PM UTC
The ET Models PE is a great, comprehensive set. I would recommending annealing it before working with some of the smaller parts as the brass is quite rigid for a brass PE set. The instructions are very clear. Highly recommended.

I also have the ET Models PE for Trumpeter's B1 Centauro, and Dragons old ISU-152. Both sets look great as well.
AlanL
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Posted: Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 09:45 PM UTC
Hi Carmen,

Really great work on the Dingo so far, it will go well with your Churchill.

Excellent sttuff.

Al
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Posted: Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 09:46 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Damn - I forgot to click "this is a Build Log" Anybody know how to do it after the fact??



I'll pass that on and ask to get it changed.

Al
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Posted: Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 10:25 PM UTC
Carmen, once again, great job. Nice to see one of those new Dingos go together. Looking forward to more!

Cheers!
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Posted: Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 11:54 PM UTC
This is looking very good indeed Carmen

Looking forward to seeing the 'riddled with bullet holes' stowage bins!

I started a build of HOUND recently using the Tamiya kit, old eduard set and some scratching.

I wish I'd chosen HELEN, at least she was one of three where I wouldn't need to have mastered new wheels!

Looking forward to more of this


EDIT forgot to say, there is some superb info (including contemporary documents etc) on this site:
www.daimler-fighting-vehicles.co.uk

There is a document on there about the Canadian Dingos, with several pictures of some before the Raid, including a great close up shot of HECTOR
DT61
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Posted: Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 12:24 AM UTC
Great build! I will be following this one closely.
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csmanning
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Posted: Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 04:35 AM UTC
Thanks Everyone!!

Thanks Alan - I now see the Build log icon!! Much appreciate!

Chris - Very nice build so far.... just remember that HOUND had a larger U channel on the rear bumper then the rest of the other Dieppe Dingos. Also the U channel extended out to the same width as the wheel fenders. I just noticed mine are way too long.

Thanks for pointing out the tyres... that was my next point for followers. Most had the similar style as mine if you look back but there were a few with the Chevron style tread pattern. Hussar makes a set of replacement resin wheels... if they've released them yet. If you can wait that's my suggestion as they're doing both styles.

I need to fix my scanner so I can point out some of these points. Cheers!!

CM
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Posted: Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 06:39 AM UTC
Correction*** I have noticed only HORACE and HARE have similar style tread pattern to HELEN. HARRY is hard to tell.

Here's the larger U Channel on Hound:



You can clearly see the chevron style tread pattern on HOUND.

Have you tried "borrowing" from another Miniart kit?
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Posted: Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 09:45 AM UTC
Carmen,

I've been waiting on this for some time now and am very excited to see you've made some head way on the second part of your dio. I've taken all the advice you've given me and I am starting to see results like yours and I really want to say thanks for being so detailed as it helps me and I'm sure many more.

Please keep up the updates!
csmanning
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Posted: Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 10:09 AM UTC
Thanks for the compliments Sean!

I'm happy that you and hopefully many others find my build logs educational and informative... and beyond everything else, easy to follow. The one thing I suggest to people who want to step up their game in respect to kit and historical accuracy is.... you can never start researching too early. I typically start researching about a year before I actually start building. Also - a Picture does tell a 1000 stories... I tend to find a photo and use it as a guide. BUT all this being said, I never consider myself an expert.

Cheers!
ChrisDM
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Posted: Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 10:13 AM UTC
Hi Carmen, you're right about that Channel, I'll have to fix that

If you look very closely the chevron tyres on Hound they are different to the ones on Hunter. Hunters meet in the middle in a classic 'v' chevron shape. Hound's are staggered. I've mastered some wheels of my own (chevron and staggered chevron) and they are being cast now

I may sell them if there is interest
csmanning
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Posted: Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 11:38 AM UTC
Holy Moly! Good Catch! I simply assumed there were only two styles of tyres. Nice work. Oh! and feel free to post your build to this thread at any time! The more the merrier. Cheers!
csmanning
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Posted: Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 11:43 AM UTC
OH!

Does anyone have stowage information regarding what was put in the exterior stowage bins? I'm having both mine open so I want to make sure I have stuff in them that's reasonably close to factual. Thanks in advance!
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Posted: Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 09:36 PM UTC
Hi Carmen,

For a MkII -

The Near Side (left side) stowage bin contains:

- great coat
- blanket wraapped in groundsheet
- water bottle
- waterproof clothing
- ration box (2 menn - 1 day)
- Log book (in lid)

The Off Side (right side) Bin contains:

- great coat
- blanket wraapped in groundsheet
- water bottle
- waterproof clothing
- ration box (2 menn - 1 day)

The additional off side box (the one between the front and rear wheels) contains

- 2 spare signal batteries (carried at commander's discretion)
If the batteries are not carried:
- 6 Tins Biscuits

NB: if batteries are carried, the biscuits are stowed elsewhere


The front box contains:

- compound anti-dim (don't ask me!)
- cotton waste
- ointment; anti-gas; 2 tins
- rod; cleaning cyl. Bren
- rod; cleaning cyl. 303 (Lee Enfield)
- Pick Head
- Hatchet
- Handle: Jack
- Handle extensions: Jack
- Handle starting
- Instruction book
- wire cutters
- waterproof cover
- Cooker portable
- Tool bag
- Wheel brace
- Tyre pump
- compressor junior
- blanking board
- case spare ariels
- copper wire
- box tin spare E.L bulbs
- gloves wiring
- two rolls tape insulating
- Funnel, fuel

Don't know about you, but I always wonder how on earth they fit all that in there!

Incidentally, I never knew, but recently found out: that tall rectangular bracket on the left fender is for fixing the sun compass
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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2010 - 01:57 AM UTC
It is posts like these that make me love this site so much, to see awesome builds in progress. Great stuff Carmen
csmanning
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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2010 - 03:08 AM UTC
Chris - Thanks for the information! You forgot kitchen sink, a merlin engine and a cranky mother-in-law in your list... That is ALOT OF STUFF!! That is great info to have. I'll pick a few "easy" things and add them to my open stowage bins.

I have the side stowage bins prep'ed, almost ready to start simulating the "riddled bullet holes". I'll go into it more once I have some pictures to show. I'll probably post more pictures this week once I have them completed.

Ken - Thanks for the compliments! I know there are other people who do build logs such as mine, but I hope more will follow suit and include information on how they did things (techniques, etc) and the information/reference they used rather then.. "here's my completed build... and here's it with with paint"... style build logs. Cheers!
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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2010 - 04:15 AM UTC
Another gorgeous build! The Dingo along with the Churchill will truly look spectacular! BTW: I just posted the pics of your Churchill for the True North Strong and Free Campaign, and they are a great addition!

zaltar
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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2010 - 04:55 AM UTC
Hey Zaltar! Thanks for doing that for me. Cheers!

I just wanted to post the picture of HUNTER to show people the difference in tread patterns on the tyres (Thanks Chris!!). Please compare this to HOUND I posted above. The image is from Wikipedia. Please also note that HUNTER has attributes of an earlier MK DIngo... check the front tow eyes and lack of front mounting brackets. This does not infer it is an earlier MK... these items might just be absent from this particular vehicle.

HUNTER was also (probably) the only Dieppe Dingo painted in a three tone camo pattern... there is still a great debate as to the colors... I'll leave it at that. There are numerous discussion on this on Missing Lynx.

You can also see the remnants of the waterproofing sealant around the side access hatch.

The LHS rear wheel hub cap has been removed giving a clear view of the lug nuts.

csmanning
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 01:09 PM UTC
Hey Everyone

In another few days I'll show how I did the bullet/shrapnel damage to the RHS.

Here's a picture of HELEN from the LHS. This is scanned from Through The Lens - Dieppe . Since I've scanned it I've put water marks on it.



Now everyone can see both angles of HELEN.

You can see the tow cable still attached to the front which was attached to BOLSTER, a Churchill MK I. Also - Note the lack of leather pads on the folding armoured roof and the fact that both side stowage bins are wide open. I finished the hinges for those last night. Stay tuned for more pictures.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 02:06 AM UTC
Hi Carmen,

I've not noticed these two things before, but on the RHS view of HELEN, it looks like the log bog is in a bracket on the underside of the stowage bin lid? I think its possible it has been transposed from the left. I know the stowage diagrams I have seen of various vehicles are not always 100% spot on due to changes after the drawings were done

Also,looking at the LHS shot, is it me, or is the left hand rear tyre missing?

Chris
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