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Winter Voroshilovets
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Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 - 06:06 AM UTC

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I have a doubt about Katiusha brought by a sledge...

How did Russian managed the rocket launcher push?

Most likely a rocket shot could make move the sledge on ice like a "jet sledge"...it would had been very hard to control it





It is just as likely that they put metal spikes in the ground, aft of the direction to be fired. Why waste rope?



because putting a spike on the hard ice could be very difficult. Furthermore spikes have to go quite deep to obtain a good anchorage


And, what would the rope be lashed to?
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Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 - 07:59 PM UTC

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I have a doubt about Katiusha brought by a sledge...

How did Russian managed the rocket launcher push?

Most likely a rocket shot could make move the sledge on ice like a "jet sledge"...it would had been very hard to control it





It is just as likely that they put metal spikes in the ground, aft of the direction to be fired. Why waste rope?



because putting a spike on the hard ice could be very difficult. Furthermore spikes have to go quite deep to obtain a good anchorage


And, what would the rope be lashed to?



So, I really don't know. Maybe also the slege had strong brakes to allow a stationary position on the ice during the shooting
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Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - 01:19 AM UTC

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I have a doubt about Katiusha brought by a sledge...

How did Russian managed the rocket launcher push?

Most likely a rocket shot could make move the sledge on ice like a "jet sledge"...it would had been very hard to control it





It is just as likely that they put metal spikes in the ground, aft of the direction to be fired. Why waste rope?



because putting a spike on the hard ice could be very difficult. Furthermore spikes have to go quite deep to obtain a good anchorage


And, what would the rope be lashed to?



So, I really don't know. Maybe also the slege had strong brakes to allow a stationary position on the ice during the shooting


On ice, brakes don't make a difference. Think about it this way, when you hydroplane(on ice or water) you don't lock your brakes. Another posibility is that the sled would be secured to the tractor. Although, I'm not entirely sure how.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 - 07:31 AM UTC
Looking at the Katyushas at hand, both the ICM and Zvezda offerings arent the best models out there, Combined with problems of technical nature as to how the whole thing would work, Im moving more and more away from it and Im thinking that a flatbed sled would be much more better. However with a towing power of more than 16 ton the sled can carry virtualy everything from suply to guns and light tanks. I will keep my options open and work on the Voroshilovets.
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2011 - 03:37 AM UTC
I made the basic paintjob during these days. Nothing spectacular, but good base for further weathering. Im not going to use the hairspray method, instead Im going to do some hand made chipping and weatherin in layers.



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Posted: Sunday, January 01, 2012 - 02:58 AM UTC
Progress of this buildhas been slowed down a bit because of other thing in my life, but I managed to make a first try on the weathering. I decided to make dark wet mud which would appear on heavy used roads in the rear and on junctions of roads in villages allong the whole Moscov battlefield. The sledges would be used even on such roads as the they would slide on the mud withou trouble. I also made some basic chipping on the wooden parts of the platform.





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Posted: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - 07:30 AM UTC
Looking nice!
I like the chipping very much!
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Posted: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - 09:29 AM UTC

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I have a doubt about Katiusha brought by a sledge...

How did Russian managed the rocket launcher push?

Most likely a rocket shot could make move the sledge on ice like a "jet sledge"...it would had been very hard to control it





It is just as likely that they put metal spikes in the ground, aft of the direction to be fired. Why waste rope?



because putting a spike on the hard ice could be very difficult. Furthermore spikes have to go quite deep to obtain a good anchorage


And, what would the rope be lashed to?



So, I really don't know. Maybe also the slege had strong brakes to allow a stationary position on the ice during the shooting


On ice, brakes don't make a difference. Think about it this way, when you hydroplane(on ice or water) you don't lock your brakes. Another posibility is that the sled would be secured to the tractor. Although, I'm not entirely sure how.



Yes, if it were a wheeled vehicle I'd agree with you but sledge brakes usually are sort of harpoon which are digged in the ice, so it could work this way
(...it has been becoming an endless debate )

Anyway, a really great job so far. That' s a very convincing painting in my opinion
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 - 08:47 AM UTC
I had a short pause from the Voroshilovets as I had some troubles and no mood to continue, but now its gone and I made some progress. It still isnt finished, but the camo is done and there will be only slightly more weathering. There will be more stuff packed in the back, including drums and ammo boxes.












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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 - 09:42 AM UTC
I think the degree of weathering you display is just about perfect: noticeable, but not neglectful. Well done. I'm subscribing, too!
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 - 10:32 AM UTC
Love the whitewashed cab & chipped wood on the back!
But the tracks looks for me like just primed - there is only one color there. Maybe some variation in mud?

Cheers
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 - 10:13 PM UTC
Thanks for the comment, The mud is already a stage further, I was planning to do only wet mud as if the vehicle just passed a muddy part of the road as was shown in previous pictures. I simulated this with gloss clear coat. There will be no dry mud because I want to emphasize the rapid movement to and from the front line, always on the way to supply units with what they need. Dry mud would in my opinion take away from that. Also I plan to put shiny new 57mm AT ammunition in brass on the platform to make a contrast to the muddy underside of the vehicle.

This is the kind of mudd Im going for :

http://danielpeach.blogspot.com/

(The T-34 second from the top)
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2012 - 11:02 PM UTC
A stunning paint job!
Wooden parts looks simply awesome and I like a lots the cab!

Regarding the tracks, yes, probably you should add some more colors on them, but looking at Winter pics, you can see that they tend to become very dark whit snowy and muddy grounds, so in my humble opinion, you have done a very good paint job also on them

Cheers and congrats
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2012 - 12:16 AM UTC
Hi Naseby. Great job on the upper hull and the paint effect/weathering. If you can pull off the lower hull/running gear to the same level, we are in for a treat. Glad to see this project back on tracks again. Any progress with the wooden sled and katyusha rocket launcher?
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2012 - 02:49 AM UTC
Coming along nicely. The white wash is looking like it has had a hard winter. Will be interested to see what you have it towing. IMHO the sledge would look very cool, whatever you have on it.
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2012 - 06:04 PM UTC
Very nice work!
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Posted: Saturday, February 18, 2012 - 04:41 AM UTC
Thank You for the comment. Im glad You like it. I have a 3 day weekend, so I will try to do some more work on it. As for the tracks, I settled for the all wet look. The aim is to portrait it in a way people would think its realy wet mud and would refuse to touch it. I made two barrels and som boxes. The barrels are painted in metal as I dont think russians would bother to paint all the barrals in this stage of the war. The ammo boxes are for 57mm AT ammo from the MiniArt set, which si very nice. There will be more stuff in the back as im scavenging through my stash to find something interesting.





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Posted: Saturday, February 18, 2012 - 08:31 AM UTC
That looks really nice. It could be a lead in as to what you put on the sledge.
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Posted: Friday, February 24, 2012 - 11:07 PM UTC
So I finished the Voroshilovets a few days ago but was not able to upload pictures until now. I added a few details to make the whole thing more interesting. The sledge is on a backburner at the moment, as I have othe projects on the table. Will get back to it in the future for sure.










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Posted: Monday, February 27, 2012 - 01:33 PM UTC
Looks great! Love the attention to details and little touches like icicles! How did you make them?
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Posted: Saturday, March 03, 2012 - 11:19 AM UTC
Hi Jaroslaw, I made them simply from sprues of clear plastic.

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Posted: Saturday, March 03, 2012 - 01:19 PM UTC

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Hi Jaroslaw, I made them simply from sprues of clear plastic.


I'm currently doing a winter camo panzer. Definitely going to make use of your icicle technique.
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Posted: Sunday, March 04, 2012 - 02:38 AM UTC
That is amazing . The ice sickles are a great touch
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 08:55 AM UTC

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Hi Jaroslaw, I made them simply from sprues of clear plastic.



So simple yet ingenious! Thanks for sharing!
I was wondering if it is some resin or water-effect mumbo jumbo.

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