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Braille
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 02:07 PM UTC
Tank Destroyer and SPG geeks,

I’m back with a new update. I recently acquired a copy of Achtung Panzer No. 5 – Stug III, Stug IV & sIG 33. A must have reference, if you happen to like all things ‘Stug’, that covers in explicate detail all of these vehicles well. I also managed to find a few walk around photographs online of the vehicle at the Kubinka Museum in Russia and quite a number of scans of some of the other vehicles in action during that time period that proved to be most interesting! What I now know is that the vehicle at the museum is built from a Stug III Ausf. E or F chassis. From the photographs that I have acquired, either online or from the above-mentioned book, these vehicles without a doubt were manufactured using Stug III Ausf. B, C, D, E and F chassis, not just ausf. E or F chassis as stated in some publications – the photographs tell the story best! The kit just happens to contain almost all of the necessary parts, less the older rear idler wheels, for the modeler to render his or her sIG.33, to any one of the above mentioned Stug III Ausf. chassis configurations right out of the box. Unfortunately the instructions fall way short of this and will only guide the modeler to building one of the early production Stug III Ausf. B, C or D / sIG.33 vehicles. This now just happens to be the chassis type for which my vehicle is based on at this point in the build. So here is where I am now.


Yes, this is what happens when you go and try to put together a Dragon kit with their famous assembly instructions! There is a separate amendment to steps 7 & 8 that will have you remove the entire shaft portion of the fender support braces (A54, A55 & A56) before installing them to the fenders. This is done to allow the casemate to be installed on the fenders without interfering with these shafts. However on the real vehicle the fender support brace shafts were cut down just enough to allow the casemate to seat flat against the fenders.

I’m just guessing here but It appears that the original intent was to have small square notches cut out on the lower edges of the casemate armor side plates to allow clearance for the fender support brace shafts and perhaps during the actual assembly process the shaft portion of the fender support braces were shortened to fit within the casemate and the notches on the side armor panels welded over with thin pieces of armor plating? (All of which I have indicated with red arrows and the blue dotted cut line). The forward fender support braces (A56) would have needed to be moved, due to the casemates forward armor plate now residing over the same location (red circle) on the fenders, and may have been the same pieces (T25 & T26) now reworked, relocated and welded to the transmission inspection armor plate? Just as a note there is only one fender support brace (A54) and I installed that piece on the left side of the hull, the amendment calls out for two of these pieces to be used but only one of these parts is provided in the kit and the instructions should have called out the other part as A55, which I installed on the right side of the hull (indicated in the photograph).

The same assembly steps will also have you install two PE air intake to fender covers (MA3 & MA4) but nothing letting the modeler know to bend the triangle ends of these parts (red arrows on inset photograph). These parts should fit snuggly against the air intakes (A29 & A30 – both intakes are to be installed later in the build).


The PE fender support brace plates (MA18) that sit below the fender support braces (T25 & T26) are called out wrong on the instruction sheet. I added a weld seam around both of the forward relocated fender support braces and an electrical conduit gland support for the Bosh lamp using different diameters of styrene rod (red arrows). A small piece of brass rod was used to replicate the Bosh lamps electrical conduit (not all of these vehicles used this type of lamp or the electrical conduit leading to the lamp).

Both headlamp support brackets, bolted to each towing eye were drilled out with a micro drill (red arrow on inset photograph). As a note: there is also a small hole located just below the rear bottom edge on each of the towing eyes that should be there. At first I thought that these small holes might have been a molding error until I looked at my reference book. These holes were for the electrical cables that were used to power on the headlamps on the Stug III’s, the headlamps were deleted when the chassis were used for the sIG.33 conversion (not all of these vehicles retained the headlamp brackets on the towing eyes after the conversion). The final inset photograph is just to show how the hinged front fender PE splashguards (MA5 & MA6) reside in their location (a mirror image of the other sides splashguard) on the bottom side of the fenders. The instructions don’t call out part of the fenders inside plates (B19 & B20) but one of these pieces is shown on the amendment sheet for steps 7 and 8.


I ran into a bit of a scuffle with the towing eye parts being marked wrong on the assembly instructions so here is the corrected parts call out.


Here I’ve added a slight amount of Mr. Surfacer to the final drive housing to replicate a light cast texture. Also added are a pair of Verlinden Productions cast resin bolts to represent the oil drain plugs (I don’t know if this would be correct or if these housing had provisions to drain the oil, but it looks good to me!). I left off both bracket sections (A21 & A23) of the forward fender support braces and drilled out holes where the bolts would be to secure these pieces (inset photographs – the bracket sections of the forward fender support braces were not always cut away and removed during the conversion). I installed a small piece of styrene to represent a left over section of fender support brace.


OK, I just had to have these four small conical bolts on each of the hulls side armor plates on my kit! I don’t know what these conical bolts are there for on these vehicles but they are there on many of the Stug III photographs that I’ve seen so I had to have them on my build. I placed them according to a H. L.Doyle 35th scale drawing of the sIG.33. I drilled out the bump stops on the bottom side were they were affixed to their support bracket (just something to do while watching a movie and building).


Used styrene rod to represent the weld seams on the rear towing eyes, these are sometimes almost invisible in photographs but do show up well on current museum walk around photographs. Beside my kits example left me with some observable gaps between the parts after mating them together so I just had to go for it!


I placed a strip of styrene (red arrow) across the front of where the casemate and chassis mate up just to hide a bunch of recessed layers of plastic and the casemates rather large locating tab. I also added thin pieces of styrene to the flooring to hide the mold release depressions. This stuff is not at all accurate but I just didn’t want to spend more time filling and sanding so I took the lazy way out! Besides it’s going to be very difficult to see any of this through the small crew hatch openings. I also filled the gaps between the fenders and hull; the super glue becomes transparent after sanding so the gaps show up in the photograph. On a side note Dragon has done a fantastic job on not having any mold release tool marks of any kind on any of the appearance side of the kits parts!

More coming soon! But for now I am going to go watch something – no not porno but some WWII documentaries!

@WARDUKWNZ – Phill, thanks for directing me over the US Halftracks Campaign, your PE work looks great. You might consider leaving it naked and sealing it with some clear finish, it would be a shame to cover all of that work with paint. BTW is there a plastic kit beneath the entire PE?

@Tojo72 – Anthony, you’re moving right along on your SU100. It’s already premiered and ready for a coat of some OB1-kanobie 4BO green paint. Clean build and nice job on the dented front hinged fenders – did the kit parts come this way?

@Dragon164 – Rob, are you getting any sleep? You are highly motivated, gotta love that plastic stuff!

@airborne1 – Michael, join in on the fun if you can. There are 62 enlisted participants already and the campaign won’t end until December, the more participants the more fun.

@SHAKY962 – Jose, thanks for the kudos, it is much appreciated. Hope my build information will be of some use to you when you go and get this kit in your hands and build it. Although only 24 of these SPG's were built, except for the basic encasement's shape, they are not all alike. And because only a handful of photographs have ever surfaced your able to use a little artistic license, within reason, to personalize your build and no one can say that its wrong! Just do your research where it concerns the Stug III chassis (Ausf. B, C, D, E or F) of your choosing. All of the parts are in the kit to accommodate any one of these chassis types. As I had mentioned on my last update it would have been nice to have had the early Ausf. A rear idler wheels in the kit too!

@Nito74 – John, you’re also moving right along on your build, I see you have added the extra wiring for the lighting system and horn on the fenders, nice. I like your wood flooring. And now you’ve managed some paint on the running gear and interior parts too!

@1721Lancers – Paul, you already have a coat of paint on your build and have detail painted some of your stuff too. Man, you’re working that baby! Paul, I actually haven’t decided on the paint scheme for my build yet. But I’m leaning towards the Dark Yellow and camouflage strips theme . . . what do you think? Should I go with that?

@PantherF – Jeff, that ‘Brilliant minds’ photograph you posted makes me hungry to have a pizza with a cold one every time I see it, and I don’t do much drinking. Well I see you’re off to a good start on your build.

@jkb_sprint – John, now you have double the fun on your workbench and some spare parts from your other Jagdpanzer IV, just in case you need something that may get eaten by the carpet monster. Good to see you doing some progress on both your builds.

@Cannon99 – Karl, that looks like a nice kit. Both you and John are building a similar project. I’ve always liked this little SPG, I remember having the 72nd ESCI kit when I was young and it was my favorite.

~ Eddy
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 02:15 PM UTC
Eddy .. Hey dude .. Thanks man for the comments and believe it mate there is very little kit under all that PE ,,you only use the chassis,steering wheel,winch and a couple of seat parts .
This one tho is different from how it should be ..dew to a serious measurement issue from Lion Roar the bottom part of the rear end wouldnt fit together so i modified the kit parts to mount the PE onto it ..pretty happy with the results .

Phill
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 12:49 AM UTC
To Braille : it's an amazing work

and this is my work on the Isu 152 ( dragon's kit )





















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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 05:19 PM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 10:56 PM UTC
Thats some great work on the ISU-152.. I love that tank.. hard,heavy tank with a huge gun.. that's a Black Sabbath Tank !

Congrats on that work phuc phan thanh !!
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 11:05 PM UTC
That is a mean looking build there! Need to get me one someday.

I also need to get out my le.FH18/40/2(sf) auf G.W.Pz.Kpfw.III/IV kit and get a start on it as (you remember it)



with it's massive detailed gun and interior fighting area. At the same time pull out the Geschutzwagen IVb as well and resume the work I started on it.

Not alot of build pics here as there were alot of box tops shown at the beginning... but where are all the builds at?

Let's get busy guys as I will be MIA next week!







~ Jeff
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 11:49 PM UTC
Jeff ,, Mate thats super clean and like my Emil very tight in there .
As you might have guessed i can't wait to see when its finished

Since you asked where's the builds at here's what i am up with the E100 Salamander .







Its got quite some ways to go yet but it will get there .

Phill
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Posted: Friday, August 17, 2012 - 01:02 AM UTC
it's a monster E100, nice work
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Posted: Friday, August 17, 2012 - 01:19 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Jeff ,, Mate thats super clean and like my Emil very tight in there .

Phill





OH! That's not my build! Just an example I'm using to show it in advance. I'm no where near it being that completed.

Hey, that second photo of your E Machine looks almost like a real museum shot... if it were a real vehicle. Good work with the camera man!

Need some more pics guys!









~ Jeff
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Posted: Friday, August 17, 2012 - 03:16 AM UTC
phuc phan thanh, That ISU-152 looks great.

Phill, That E-100 looks rather cool. I'm not a huge paper panzer guy but that one kind of tempts me.
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Posted: Friday, August 17, 2012 - 03:20 AM UTC
Hi guys,
Again... another Emil's update:

- small rollers painted and added to the lower hull



- Finished the exaust ( I will add some pigments later)



And finally finished the interior (hurrah !!)









Radio & periscope too



That's it for today I guess (back to the bench)
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Posted: Friday, August 17, 2012 - 03:44 AM UTC
Thank John and Alex
@John: well done on The Emil
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Posted: Friday, August 17, 2012 - 06:10 AM UTC
Hi there all,
@Eddy: wow man, talk about a detailed report , is your buildgoing to be in a magazine?
I´ve seen vehicles with a winter cam, but to be honest i´d
stick with the stripey job, it just looks cool

@Phuc: awesome dude, and that with such a clean work bench.
does it always look like that, or was it just for foto shoot

@Jeff: you had me going there mate, until I read your last comment. Still don´t matter, just take it easy and wait for the "I don´t care pill", all will go well I´m sure

@Phill. lovely mate, how did you do the camo? With bluetack
and low pressure or just freehand?
Those dragon tracks are real cool on that beast, wish I´d had some over in Jan. as I did my E100 Stug

@John: looking realy sweet, just be careful when adding the upper hull and fighting compartment. I wish to hell I could remember what I did wrong

Well here I´ve added some camo to Devils sporn, but I don´t know if it´s going to stay that way, some how I don´t like it

Cheers guys
Paul
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Posted: Friday, August 17, 2012 - 09:10 PM UTC
@WARDDUKWNZ – Phill, I like the colors you chose and the transparent featured edged camouflage pattern you’ve applied to your E100 Salamander. Also excellent job on the track sag, those are some heavy tracks! And thanks for the reply on your all brass halftack – good save on making the attachment to the rear area of the chassis work.

@vapirone – Phuc, thanks for the kind words, it is much appreciated. You’re also doing a great job on your ISU 152 too! I see you’ve managed to replicate the texture on the mantlet, nice work. I also like all of your scratch made add-ons too. Boy you work fast.

@Nito74 – John, you’re making good progress on your Emil, even without the pigments the exhaust looks realistic already. Nice job on the interior and now you can move on to the big gun!


Quoted Text

@Eddy: wow man, talk about a detailed report , is your buildgoing to be in a magazine?
I´ve seen vehicles with a winter cam, but to be honest i´d
stick with the stripey job, it just looks cool



@1721Lancers – Paul, no plans or intentions of submitting this build for publication in a magazine. I am just building this for fun and just providing information to help out anyone else that may be interested in putting this kit together. Well Paul, I agree with you on the stripped camouflage scheme and will go with it! And I am having fun! Now about your camouflage scheme . . . to me, the barrel looks the part and the body looks like someone actually jumped on the vehicle with a spray gun and had at it, in other words it looks realistic and to scale. I would leave it alone and go with it. It will change once you’ve faded the areas that are most exposed to the sun along with some applied light wear and tare. Your choice of colors are dead on for an end of war vehicle.

~ Eddy
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Posted: Friday, August 17, 2012 - 11:04 PM UTC
@Phil

Great work on the Jagdpanzer E-100 ! (I need one of those... )

@phuc phan thanh
Thanks ! Looking forward to see more of that 152 beast..

@Eddie

Thanks !!! I still have a lot to do on the Emil... the big gun .. finishing the running gear... tracks..
-- I might finish it this month and add a 2nd build
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Posted: Saturday, August 18, 2012 - 12:48 PM UTC
Everyone is making some great progress on some real monster tank killers
@ Paul I think the camo looks great I would leave it
Before I went on my road trip I finished the tracks and trough some more paint at my beast
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made those front road wheel more silver as well
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I think I sprayed this with some Futures before i left but I dont remember
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Posted: Saturday, August 18, 2012 - 08:45 PM UTC
Paul ,,, Eddy ...John ... Cheers guys on the comments but in this case this beast is looking the way it does cause i cocked up
My airbrush is what i would call crap with a mind of its own ..one day it will spray a line 3mm wide and others the best you will get is 6mm and that can happen one minute to another ..drives me nuts but it can come up with some pretty funky spray affects
Oh well one day i will be able to afford a Iwata or something close to that .

Sal ... Mate its coming along very nicely ..will look great when its done


Phill
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Posted: Saturday, August 18, 2012 - 11:16 PM UTC
Plan to work more on the TD's today and a little more on my StuG too. Need to wrap up a package for Texas and figure out why I lost interest in my M1117? The doors sux.

Also need to look for an aluminum barrel and muzzle brake for the le.FH18/40/2(sf) auf G.W.Pz.Kpfw.III/IV (if available) and start on it too.

Busy day today!








~ Jeff
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 - 03:04 AM UTC
Hey there guys, and specifically Phil (wardukwnz). Can I still enlist for this campaign? My record on campaigns sux but I want to give it another shot.

I bought the Trumpeter Krupp/Ardelt Waffentrager and it just keeps calling to me "Build me ... build me."

I have a dio base started that I was going to use for a different kit, but I think it will be cool for this kit also.

I haven't started building any models yet, just parts of the base.
So, permission to enlist campaign leader ...
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 - 06:42 AM UTC
I'm not the Campaign leader Bill, but go to the Campaign Tab and enlist, as long as the kit you pick fits.

After this weekend Panther Party I had time to finish the base coat painting on the Emil's BeatBox





Still gotta work on the wheels & tracks.
-- I really want to finish the Emil to start another build --

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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 - 08:24 AM UTC
Paul,real nice camo

John,outstanding detail in that fighting compartment

Phil,camo looking good on the Big Boy

Sal,looking good,let's see some weathering

SU100 moving slowly,very busy but hopefully some pics this week
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 - 11:27 AM UTC

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Hey there guys, and specifically Phil (wardukwnz). Can I still enlist for this campaign? My record on campaigns sux but I want to give it another shot.
So, permission to enlist campaign leader ...



Hey ya Bill ,, Not a problem mate ,,join on up ..you won't be the only one who's not finished a campaign and you will not be the last

Phill
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 - 02:25 PM UTC
Sal, I like the look of that vehicle. It just looks mean without being overdone like a Maus or E-100. I might have to add that one to my stash at some point.
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 - 02:29 PM UTC
Got some of the PE on the 85, the top grill needed a bit of work you will see on the right side a little tab for the plastic grills this should be removed for the PE grills gives a much better fit.

Cheers Rob,

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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 - 10:13 PM UTC
Everyone's builds are looking great, really enjoying reading all the posts.

I managed to get going on my Jagdtiger, Its going together really well at this stage.

The model came with a metal barrel, can someone please tell me what kind of glue I should use to glue a metal barrel, thanks.







Gary