Pascal's Patriot system (Trumpeter 1/35)
Colorado, United States
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Posted: Friday, November 20, 2015 - 01:06 AM UTC
Well, in addition to
missing detail, what they give you is just plain wrong. Notice the contour differences at the end of the transmission. Perhaps I should start working with Trumpeter again.
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Moselle, France
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Posted: Saturday, November 21, 2015 - 01:41 PM UTC
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Well, in addition to missing detail, what they give you is just plain wrong. Notice the contour differences at the end of the transmission. Perhaps I should start working with Trumpeter again.
Thx Rob, spme where you're right. But your picture is from an more recent HEMTT version (A3 A4 ???=
Here a picture that I took at Eurosatory (Paris) show in 2004 from an M983 surely A2 :
Moselle, France
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Posted: Saturday, November 21, 2015 - 01:48 PM UTC
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Another great disappointment, is this damaged windshield window. And as all people know Trumpeter customer service doesn't exist 
According to this video (53 minutes in) the clear parts are packed separately with padding. I really can't fault Trumpeter for this; their protective measures are better than average.
Pascal, I suggest dipping the scratched part in Johnson's Kleer (I think that is the European brand name) acrylic floor polish. It has worked surprising well for me.
KL
A commercial video can't be a proof of quality ! Despiste this and good packaging, my windows came unusable to me !
But that we need to learn, is the fact that Trumpeter ande Hobby Easy don't have any custumers service.
Moselle, France
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Posted: Saturday, November 21, 2015 - 01:50 PM UTC
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I got the tractor on the mail last week. Glad to see it goes together well.
Pascal, Is there any wiring digrams or parts for it on the trailors. I was wondering if at least the Generator set has power cables to the launcher section.
All these informations are classified, so nothing available.
Iowa, United States
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Posted: Saturday, November 21, 2015 - 07:00 PM UTC
Moselle, France
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Posted: Friday, November 27, 2015 - 04:04 PM UTC
Making some plumbing under the missile racks :
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Posted: Sunday, November 29, 2015 - 07:06 PM UTC
M860 trailer stand now on his four outriggers!
Alabama, United States
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Posted: Monday, November 30, 2015 - 06:42 AM UTC
Are there any good photos online of the wiring you added? I'm working on mine now, and I built mine so that the outriggers can posed in a launcher or transport mode.
England - South West, United Kingdom
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Posted: Monday, December 28, 2015 - 02:39 PM UTC
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Are there any good photos online of the wiring you added? I'm working on mine now, and I built mine so that the outriggers can posed in a launcher or transport mode.
I am strongly considering this one, but have noticed a potential error? The outriggers look like they can only be built extended OOB, yet the screws that wind them down appear to be molded in the raised position, ie not a lot of screw exposed.
Can someone please clarify this for me. I#d also be interested to know how you made them raised please Vince?
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Posted: Monday, December 28, 2015 - 04:26 PM UTC
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Are there any good photos online of the wiring you added? I'm working on mine now, and I built mine so that the outriggers can posed in a launcher or transport mode.
I am strongly considering this one, but have noticed a potential error? The outriggers look like they can only be built extended OOB, yet the screws that wind them down appear to be molded in the raised position, ie not a lot of screw exposed.
Can someone please clarify this for me. I#d also be interested to know how you made them raised please Vince?
How stupid of me, I just looked again and it's obvious the screws wind in to "pull" the legs down. Sorry.. my bad.
Rhone, France
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Posted: Monday, December 28, 2015 - 05:28 PM UTC
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Are there any good photos online of the wiring you added? I'm working on mine now, and I built mine so that the outriggers can posed in a launcher or transport mode.
Did you see these (courtesy of Hans-Hermann
) ?
http://www.primeportal.net/artillery/hans-hermann_buhling/us_patriot/H.P.
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Moselle, France
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Posted: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 01:37 PM UTC
Thx Frenchy ! I have them ! Very useful !
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Posted: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 07:03 PM UTC
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The M983 A2 assembled before detailling
The truck with M870 flat bed trailer
Where did the 870 trailer come from? I would like to find one if its reasonably priced!
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Posted: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 07:39 PM UTC
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Where did the 870 trailer come from? I would like to find one if its reasonably priced!
I guess it's the Miniman Factory kit :
http://www.minimanfactory.com/en/m870a1-40-ton-lowbed-trailer-i8/H.P.
"Find the Bastards, then Pile On"
Col. George W.Patton III 's standing order for the troopers of the 11th Armoured Cavalry Regiment
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Posted: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 10:25 PM UTC
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Are there any good photos online of the wiring you added? I'm working on mine now, and I built mine so that the outriggers can posed in a launcher or transport mode.
I am strongly considering this one, but have noticed a potential error? The outriggers look like they can only be built extended OOB, yet the screws that wind them down appear to be molded in the raised position, ie not a lot of screw exposed.
Can someone please clarify this for me. I#d also be interested to know how you made them raised please Vince?
All I had to do was replace the kits screw jacks with telescoping brass tubing and I drilled out all the hinged joints and reinforced them with wire. But the downside of doing this is that if you posed them in the down position,they won't hold the model up.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 - 02:35 PM UTC
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All I had to do was replace the kits screw jacks with telescoping brass tubing and I drilled out all the hinged joints and reinforced them with wire. But the downside of doing this is that if you posed them in the down position,they won't hold the model up.[/quote]
Thanks Vince. Now that I have the kit I can see exactly what you mean. I wasn't planning on having them moving, but more like having them posed in the transportable position. It's a shame that trumpeter didn't include longer screws as an option for this in the box??
Anyway, back to Pauls build.. how's it coming along Paul??
Moselle, France
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Posted: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 - 02:37 PM UTC
I have modified the Radar trailer to do it with raised outriggers :
Paintin from the launcher continue...it's a long and hard way
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Posted: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 - 07:17 PM UTC
What a great Idea Pascal!! I was going to use M2 threaded rod, which wouldn't have looked half as good as your idea of wrapping wire around rod!! thanks for sharing.
I have just finished assembling all eight legs, and am going insane. I don't know about your feelings, but I think this kit is petty poor in quality when you consider the amount of clean up required.. maybe it gets better now the legs are out of the way?
BTW, do you model 24/7? I've never seen anyone work so fast.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 - 09:19 PM UTC
I've just had another thought... if Trumpeter designed the kit to be displayed on stands, surely the suspension has sag built in, so when coupled up to your tractor unit it will sit high at the back?
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Posted: Friday, January 01, 2016 - 08:22 PM UTC
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I've just had another thought... if Trumpeter designed the kit to be displayed on stands, surely the suspension has sag built in, so when coupled up to your tractor unit it will sit high at the back?
Well, I can answer the question now myself as I've built both trailers.. there is no sag, so the trailer will look fine on the back of the M983 and if you can be fussed, the sag will need to be built into the trailer on supports.
Moselle, France
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Posted: Saturday, January 02, 2016 - 01:33 AM UTC
When trailer sit on his outriggers, wheels don't touch the ground !
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Posted: Saturday, January 02, 2016 - 08:24 AM UTC
I think what Nige means, is does the kit show the weight taken of the axles when the trailer is on the outriggers. And no, it doesn't. But judging for photos, the real one doesn't sag
Bayern, Germany
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Posted: Saturday, January 02, 2016 - 12:04 PM UTC
CAD Images mean nothing.
What does a rivet counter count on a cast or welded tank hull?
Moselle, France
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Posted: Saturday, January 02, 2016 - 03:51 PM UTC
Here a resized picture from the HH WA on Prime portal :
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Posted: Thursday, January 07, 2016 - 02:53 PM UTC
Just received the Real Model HEMTT engine,
Really nice & useful upgrade for the Trumpy kit, wich is poor in detail and accuracy for this part of the truck !
