I don't remember seeing this one.. cool kit

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Hisham

This one took me by surprise . I saw some one selling them on EBay all ready.I know some one will be some what happy about this release.
By the sprue shots I saw HobbyBoss still has not fixed the cab problem with their 2 1/2 ton truck line.

Dave

I don't think repairing the error in the cab is ever going to happen. Their plan was to use these spruces to the max creating one CCKW variant after another. I had hopes that someone would do this eventually but unfortunately HB started with a gross error in the proportions of their cab and they continue to compound their mistake with each new variant offered.

However this one I will buy for I have always wanted the short wheelbase truck with the gun ring. The. Model appears to be excellent in every other regard but I already have an old Italeri gun ring cab waiting in my stash to replace the HB cab on this model when it arrives.

But yes, I am happy, your right!

Can someone put the HB and italeri parts on a 35th scale drawing to be sure?
Dan

Pros: Overall Chassis length is correct. Overall body length (cab and load box) is correct. Height is acceptable. Tire diameter is acceptable. Level of detail; excellent.

Cons: Front fenders too long. Hood + cowl too long. Cab (fire wall to back cab wall) too short. Doors too narrow (front to back measurement). Slope angle of windshield incorrect.

This topic has been discussed at length on the thread:

"I think Hobby Boss screwed the pooch" at

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/225750&ord=&page=1

Yes, but no 35th scale plans were used in all this criticism.

What plans would you use? I bet ya Hobby Boss had plans, that they drew themselves. Wanna use those? And I am sure Italeri and Tamiya had plans, use those?

Until you can provide me original 1943 dated plans from GM there are not going to be any plans to go by. None that you can trust. The only thing to use is the real thing so I went to New Orleans to measure the SWD Deuce in the WWII Museum

Anybody with an artist's eye for proportion can tell in the first 30 seconds there is something wrong with the proportions of that model cab. If you guys can't see it then you go ahead and buy the model because you are HB's target market.

I'm sorry to get testy but I have been making this argument since the first CCKW came out from Hobby Boss. If you cannot see the problem then I cannot help you. You folks will argue rivet count and thread count and location of return rollers but you can't see this? I think the mistake is glaring. The model door and therefore the entire cab is approximately 2 3/4 inches too short - front to back. This was done to compensate for the overly long fenders and hood. The fenders being first produced for the Bofors CCKW gun truck where the error was much less noticeable.

I have shown you the Hobby Boss cab door photographically superimposed over an original CCKW cab and it is clearly narrower, what more do you want?

I am about to show you the original measurements I got in New Orleans. You get out your micrometers and scale it out for yourselves.

Measurements taken at center belt line and at bottom edge of door.

Modified John Hale photo.



Italeri fender (Bottom) vs Hobby Boss (Top)

I can attest that the Italeri cab and fender structure are an exact match for the Tamiya offering because I have put many an Italeri enclosed cab and hood assembly onto the Tamiya fender and chassis with little difficulty!

What I am saying is that in this comparison of one to the other the Hobby Boss offering is out voted two to one! That's two very well established hobby engineering departments disagreeing with Hobby Boss. (and agreeing with me!)



Two models both built using the Tamiya fenders and chassis with the Italeri enclosed cab mated to the Tamiya fenders with little difficulty.

Hobby Boss door overlaying Italeri cab door for comparison. HB door is too tall and too narrow.


Cropped photo by Jon Arnold

Unfortunately HobbyBoss is not going to do anything about the messed up cab and fenders. So this means every time they release a 2 1/2 ton GMC we will drag this dead horse out and whip it again.
We all know that the molds that HobbyBoss are using have the open cab parts on them, so when they release the open cab versions of the SWB and the fuel tanker we'll get the same fenders and hood we're getting now.
Now back to this newest release. The hole in the roof of the cab looks like it's made to look like it has the a canvas cover over it. Nice little touch
I will get one of these and when I get around to building it replace the cab with an Italeri one.

Dave

Ditto Dave!

Here is the Hobby Boss model that started the whole problem. Problem being those grossly long fenders!


Modeler unknown

The very design of the prototype vehicle hides the flaw.

I'd like it over 35th scale drawings. I don't care what another manufactures kit looks like. I don't care what you measured as well as I don't know if you measured correctly. You seem to get a kick out of bringing this topic up every time HB brings out a 2 1/2 truck. If they messed up, then that's it, more in likely they will not change the molds for this problem.
Why keep beating a dead horse?

I would like to point out that I did not start this thread. If someone starts a discussion on the subject of any of the Hobby Boss CCKW's I am going to point out these errors.

It's called sharing pertinent modeling information about the subject. At last glance that is what this website is about.

I apologize for getting snippy but that was the exact same question regarding plan drawings that was asked and answered on my thread about this problem. That is proof that not everyone has picked up on this information.

I think Dan and others would be satisfied if someone were to post the measurements of the Hobby Boss and Italeri kits taken at the same points on the door as the photo above, along with other key points on the cab and hood. It has happened before that the "horrible new kit" was on the minus side of correct while the "great old kit" was off by even more, just that its errors were on the plus side.

KL

Hi,
I tried to make the exercise of comparing all existing kits to available drawings. The only one I have is in the tankograd cckw manuals, without any dimensional reference I just scaled them by some door measurements posted here in Armorama.
Although th source drawing could be not that fully reliable, it happened exactly what Kut said: tamiya, italeri and hobby boss wre all wrong in certain ways. For instane italeri might have better proportions but the cabin seems to be small, based on cabin and fender length.
There was a thread in missing links where i made some few comments about those issues, and it happened again what Kurt says: "hobby boss is crap" music didnt stop playing.....
Nacho

Cheapest way out of this mess:

Buy an Italeri CCKW "Hard Cab" donor kit (this kit can be had for as little as $5.00USD on ebay) with or without the the opening in the Cab Roof for the .50 AA Ring Mount, and adapt/kit-bash it to the HOBBY BOSS or TAMIYA CCKW kit/s.

The ITALERI kit features the (nearest to) correctly-sized and proportioned "Hard Cab" and Fenders in plastic, and the frame features the correct "C" profile in cross-section. The ITALERI kit also includes the Pittman Arm and Drag Link, which will connect the Steering Box to the Left Tie-rod End. The Pittman Arm and Drag Link are IMPORTANT PARTS which TAMIYA saw fit to ignore in their CCKW kit. That's just a bit slipshod, IMO.

When viewed from certain angles on the left side, the omission of the Pittman Arm and Drag Link becomes quite apparent, and detracts from the otherwise very nice TAMIYA kit. Modellers who aren't familiar with actual automotive components won't miss this omission of parts at first, but once they "come into the know", (if they ever do), they may want to correct these errors. Personally, I'm a "fuss-pot" when it comes to specific automotive and other details that should or shouldn't be there on any vehicle kit, so I just go ahead and correct them as needed.

The other big error that TAMIYA committed was to mold the Frame incorrectly from its inboard aspect. The Frame should be formed in a "C" configuration when viewed in cross-section...

I don't have any of the HOBBY BOSS CCKWs, so I can't offer an opinion on the accuracy of their kits, except for the obvious faux pas regarding the HOBBY BOSS "Hard cabs". They're WRONG, period...

I DO have a HELLER CCKW somewhere in my inventory of things 1/35, but since I never delved into this kit, and due to the fact that I can't readily put my hands on it, I'll refrain from any comment on that kit at this moment. The only reason I bought the HELLER CCKW in the first place, was to scavenge the Cargo Bed "Tarp", in order to use it on one of my TAMIYA Jimmies...

The other, and more expensive alternative in solving the "Incorrect Hard Cab Problem" would be to buy an aftermarket "Hard Cab", which in the case of the TAMIYA kit, can run you as much as twice the price of the kit itself, and will still leave you with an incorrect Frame, AND your having to source or fabricate a Pittman Arm and a Drag Link. I know the HOBBY BOSS kits in some cases (depends on where and who you buy from) are more expensive than the TAMIYA kits, so the A/M resin cabs become just one more added expense to the overall "joy of modelling".

As a personal foible of mine, I like to use the ABER "Hard" or "Soft" Cab CCKW353 PE kits for my Jimmies. They are specifically meant for the ITALERI kits, but they are readily adaptable to any 1/35 US 2.5 6x6...

Up to you which way you want to fly on this one...

I believe Mike (or Frenchy?) DID compare drawings with the respective parts superimposed over them, and ABSOLUTELY THE CLOSEST MATCH, and Mike's inclusion of his pics in this thread make this readily apparent, ARE THE ITALERI parts. If you check on ebay or other sources, the ITALERI CCKW kits were also sold under the old (and nearly impossible to find) PEERLESS MAX label. Other manufacturers include TESTORS, and TESTORS/ITALERI, in various different re-boxings.

For those interested, ITALERI manufactured the CCKW353 "Hard Cab" kits WITH and WITHOUT the .50 AA Mount, and in a
Water Tanker configuration. Various aftermarket sources also market resin conversion kits such as the Field Kitchen, Machine Shop, Surgical and Blood Bank Units, Dump Bed, and Gasoline Tanker bodies, plus replacement Wheel/Tire sets, in both "round" and "sagged to simulate weight" configurations. Aftermarket "steerable wheels" sets are also available; I believe these sets are made by RESICAST...

Could have been Mike..I've got no dog in this fight
Talking about scale drawings, this book by Robert Sawicki (Militaria #166) includes several 1/35th scale drawings of various CCKW variants with both types of cabs. Can't vouch for their accuracy though..



H.P.

Another comment, please excuse.

Even the best modern day drawings must be suspect because their accuracy depends entirely on the quality of the reference used as the data source to create the drawings.

The only thing even remotely trust worthy would be drawings developed from direct measurement of the real thing.**

The 70 year old CCKW is, world wide, so ubiquitous and popular a military vehicle that I dare say the Hobby Boss design team should have/could have procured one on loan, from a local source and pulled it directly into the design studio for direct measurement.

To have not done this is inexcusable.


** When AFV Club was planning their model of the WWII Stuart they sent a man half way around the world to the Patton Museum to digitally create a CAD computer model of the fully restored vehicle at the Museum. With him taking all measurements directly from the real thing it still took him more than three weeks to complete!

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The Peerles Max kits predate the Italeri. and the Italeri tooling for the GMC 6x6 is not the Peerless Max tooling. The exterior dimensions of the Italleri and Peerless cabs are very close. Comparing them I could not see any difference. The Peerless cabs are slightly heavier (thicker walls). Overall the Peerless has a more substantial appearance. To me the Italeri looks more like the real truck, although the difference is slight.

Some other Italeri kits, for instance, the Dodge Ambulance, the Dodge 6x6, the CMP 15cwt truck, and the CMP gun tractor are Peerless Maz tooling

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The Peerles Max kits predate the Italeri. and the Italeri tooling for the GMC 6x6 is not the Peerless Max tooling. The exterior dimensions of the Italleri and Peerless cabs are very close. Comparing them I could not see any difference. The Peerless cabs are slightly heavier (thicker walls). Overall the Peerless has a more substantial appearance. To me the Italeri looks more like the real truck, although the difference is slight.

Some other Italeri kits, for instance, the Dodge Ambulance, the Dodge 6x6, the CMP 15cwt truck, and the CMP gun tractor are Peerless Max tooling. There are a few others.