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My first HEMTT - the Italeri LHS
165thspc
#521
Joined: April 13, 2011
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Posted: Thursday, August 18, 2016 - 08:27 PM UTC
For the sake of full disclosure I did want to add that I had to modify the main front frame H-member I beam to achieve the angle and height I wanted on the engine.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Thursday, August 18, 2016 - 08:29 PM UTC
I finally went with cutting both the air compressor and the hydraulic pump in half. I think they look much more correct now.
Also I thought I would take a picture of that very nicely etched engine fan because once the radiator is installed we will probably never see it again.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Thursday, August 18, 2016 - 09:43 PM UTC
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Thursday, August 18, 2016 - 10:08 PM UTC
Going to have to lengthen those top radiator hoses just a bit. I have already lengthened the exhaust pipe coming out of the turbo before it gets to the muffler.
Taylornic
Joined: January 10, 2005
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Posted: Thursday, August 18, 2016 - 11:05 PM UTC
Good work!
Bigred69
Joined: December 27, 2015
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Posted: Friday, August 19, 2016 - 01:10 AM UTC
Hi Mike, I an going to fill this build away for future reference, when I put my HEMMT together. Thanks for all the information you have put out.
Ronnie
Ronnie
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Friday, August 19, 2016 - 02:24 AM UTC
Thanks guys for the comments and compliments. It has crossed my mind more than a few times that maybe I am beating this horse to death but I do hope everyone's getting something good out of all this.
I know I am enjoying the build, I hope you are too!
I know I am enjoying the build, I hope you are too!
165thspc
#521
Joined: April 13, 2011
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Posted: Friday, August 19, 2016 - 04:02 AM UTC
Someone said they really wanted to see this engine painted. Well I hope this meets with your approval. Base painting plus lite desert usage.
Stickframe
#362
Joined: December 01, 2013
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Posted: Friday, August 19, 2016 - 04:19 AM UTC
Hi Mike, great build as always! I and evidently lots of others are enjoying the step by step! Good work
Cheers
Nick
Cheers
Nick
AmTrac1833
#431
Joined: February 20, 2014
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Posted: Friday, August 19, 2016 - 05:28 AM UTC
Here's your opportunity for the ultimate reference for the build. 
Seriously, was window shopping on eBay and this listing has some good images for details
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oshkosh-MK48-LVS-8x8-Military-USMC-/172309857092?forcerrptr=true&hash=item281e77c344:g:xiQAAOSwdzVXta7J&item=172309857092
Seriously, was window shopping on eBay and this listing has some good images for details
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oshkosh-MK48-LVS-8x8-Military-USMC-/172309857092?forcerrptr=true&hash=item281e77c344:g:xiQAAOSwdzVXta7J&item=172309857092
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Friday, August 19, 2016 - 06:16 AM UTC
The find is fantastic, good job! - I wish we could find more items for sale like that with all that photo documentation!
However what you found this time is a Marine unit which differs greatly from the standard HEMTT. While all wheels are powered, steering is accomplished differently as the vehicle is hinged in the middle to steer like a big front-end loader. The really unusual thing about these trucks is you can "unhitch" the rear portion and drive the cab around like a conventual vehicle.
You can literally change the physical make-up of the vehicle to fit the mission at hand.
So quite different mechanically from thr standard HEMTT.
However what you found this time is a Marine unit which differs greatly from the standard HEMTT. While all wheels are powered, steering is accomplished differently as the vehicle is hinged in the middle to steer like a big front-end loader. The really unusual thing about these trucks is you can "unhitch" the rear portion and drive the cab around like a conventual vehicle.
You can literally change the physical make-up of the vehicle to fit the mission at hand.
So quite different mechanically from thr standard HEMTT.
AmTrac1833
#431
Joined: February 20, 2014
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Posted: Friday, August 19, 2016 - 07:37 AM UTC
Quoted Text
The find is fantastic, good job! - I wish we could find more items for sale like that with all that photo documentation!
However what you found this time is a Marine unit which differs greatly from the standard HEMTT. While all wheels are powered, steering is accomplished differently as the vehicle is hinged in the middle to steer like a big front-end loader. The really unusual thing about these trucks is you can "unhitch" the rear portion and drive the cab around like a conventual vehicle.
You can literally change the physical make-up of the vehicle to fit the mission at hand.
So quite different mechanically from thr standard HEMTT.
That is bad news for me. I want to do an LVS, need one to sit with my AAVs. I remember them being horrible rides, going cross country in 29 Palms I think I bounced my grape off the roof I don't know how many times. Springy freak'n seats.
Do you think it would be a horrendous challenge to take one of these HEMTT and convert it to an LVS Mk48? Your doing some incredible work with yours, my skill level is several notches below yours - and that may be a slight inflation of my skills.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Friday, August 19, 2016 - 09:03 AM UTC
Always wondered why the model companies have never made the Marine version. It is interesting, it's different but COULD share a number of parts with the standard HEMTT.
I would have to do more research to know just what would be required for a conversion.
I would have to do more research to know just what would be required for a conversion.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Friday, August 19, 2016 - 09:30 AM UTC
Well that massive central hinge seems doable enough.
Could not find any info on frame differences or how the rear unit "hitches" to that front unit.
Could not find any info on frame differences or how the rear unit "hitches" to that front unit.
Taylornic
Joined: January 10, 2005
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Posted: Friday, August 19, 2016 - 11:01 AM UTC
Yep, that paint meets my approval. You may continue on with the great work! Looking great!
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Friday, August 19, 2016 - 08:26 PM UTC
I know I am a glutton for punishment but does any model company do the LHS M1076 trailer to go with the Italeri truck? Maybe one of the resin manufactures? If not, I bet someone comes out with one real soon!
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165thspc
#521
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Posted: Friday, August 19, 2016 - 11:14 PM UTC
My shipment from Eduard just arrived by way of eBay and the US Postal Service.
I really like this trend to offer pre-painted etch! With that statement I also include the epoxy coated etch to form the headlights, taillights and reflectors!
I really like this trend to offer pre-painted etch! With that statement I also include the epoxy coated etch to form the headlights, taillights and reflectors!
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Friday, August 19, 2016 - 11:31 PM UTC
I now need to consult my panel of experts - you guys!
Like I said, this is my first venture into modern armor so it is for sure that I don't have all the answers. I have been a fan of Model Masters paints for years. (I know the Tamiya paints lay down flatter and stand less chance of running but the MM paints don't choke the life out of you while you are using them - even with ventilation.) Also in this case I just liked the color swatch on the MM paint better than the Tamiya. (Model Masters #1963 Modern Desert Sand)
Problem is the MM swatch on the rack in the store definitely showed a slight touch of what I would call brown/red in the overall mix. However when I painted the first piece of my model the color came out looking like a straight pale yellow. Is this correct or did I get a bad can???
I have done my best to match the color in the photo below to the actual paint color.
(The pale yellow color I got looks like something my ex-wife would have loved to paint our bedroom!)
I shook the can profusely before painting - more than I normally ever shake a rattle can and continued to shake it but no change!
Thoughts anyone????
Like I said, this is my first venture into modern armor so it is for sure that I don't have all the answers. I have been a fan of Model Masters paints for years. (I know the Tamiya paints lay down flatter and stand less chance of running but the MM paints don't choke the life out of you while you are using them - even with ventilation.) Also in this case I just liked the color swatch on the MM paint better than the Tamiya. (Model Masters #1963 Modern Desert Sand)
Problem is the MM swatch on the rack in the store definitely showed a slight touch of what I would call brown/red in the overall mix. However when I painted the first piece of my model the color came out looking like a straight pale yellow. Is this correct or did I get a bad can???
I have done my best to match the color in the photo below to the actual paint color.
(The pale yellow color I got looks like something my ex-wife would have loved to paint our bedroom!)
I shook the can profusely before painting - more than I normally ever shake a rattle can and continued to shake it but no change!
Thoughts anyone????
165thspc
#521
Joined: April 13, 2011
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Posted: Friday, August 19, 2016 - 11:58 PM UTC
What sand color would you guys recommend and also what green should I use on the cab interior since I am trying to create a vehicle that has been repainted in country?
Frenchy
Joined: December 02, 2002
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Posted: Saturday, August 20, 2016 - 12:56 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Do you think it would be a horrendous challenge to take one of these HEMTT and convert it to an LVS Mk48?
It should be doable
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/148333&page=1&ord=0
On a side note, it's too bad the original Webshots (photo hosting website) has been shut down...
H.P.
Taylornic
Joined: January 10, 2005
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Posted: Saturday, August 20, 2016 - 01:12 AM UTC
Gino stands by fs 33531. Compare it to your results and see what you think.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Saturday, August 20, 2016 - 01:21 AM UTC
Looks to me like on the LVS the "trailer" actually bolts to the articulated swivel on the tractor. I guess it is not that easy to "un-hitch" the rear portion of the truck after all. Seems like that would sort of defeat the advantage of having an articulated truck.
Yes, it would be a bit more maneuverable but it would be a heck of a rough ride for both driver and cargo!
Yes, it would be a bit more maneuverable but it would be a heck of a rough ride for both driver and cargo!
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Saturday, August 20, 2016 - 01:32 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Gino stands by fs 33531. Compare it to your results and see what you think.
Yea, I'm using fs 33722. Why does Model Masters use two totally different numbering systems on the same can?
It will be a few days before I can get across town to the LHS to pick up the new paint.
How about a recommendation on the base green color for the cab interior?
Taylornic
Joined: January 10, 2005
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Posted: Saturday, August 20, 2016 - 01:51 AM UTC
Sorry, I forgot the green. As for myself, I used FS34102 4734 Medium Green for my M929 dump, and will use it again on my Hemtt.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Saturday, August 20, 2016 - 05:06 AM UTC
I am sorry guys. I apologize!
Last night after painting the HEMTT engine I forgot to add the "Sea Foam Green" shaders (pastels) to the engine. I hope in this photo you can see that they have now been added. If you think I need to add more to meet the Detroit Diesel Industrial color standard just say so.
(Real Models instruction sheet shows these filter canisters painted a bright contrasting color. I know that is wrong - military filters are not like normal car oil filters. A military filter consists of a replaceable cartridge that fits inside a metal canister. The canister itself would be the stock engine color or the vehicle color. However this does offer me the chance to show a touch of a bright color here and there so I went with it, artistic license, et al.)
Last night after painting the HEMTT engine I forgot to add the "Sea Foam Green" shaders (pastels) to the engine. I hope in this photo you can see that they have now been added. If you think I need to add more to meet the Detroit Diesel Industrial color standard just say so.
(Real Models instruction sheet shows these filter canisters painted a bright contrasting color. I know that is wrong - military filters are not like normal car oil filters. A military filter consists of a replaceable cartridge that fits inside a metal canister. The canister itself would be the stock engine color or the vehicle color. However this does offer me the chance to show a touch of a bright color here and there so I went with it, artistic license, et al.)
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