9K37 BUK-M1 Air Defense Missile System
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19sam68
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 10:23 AM UTC
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 12:22 PM UTC
Cool !!
Thanks for the heads-up
/ Robin
Thanks for the heads-up
/ Robin
knewton
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 02:17 PM UTC
And, http://www.moxing.net/2018/0510/8984.html
This will be huge (as in, kit size - I don’t know about popularity).
This will be huge (as in, kit size - I don’t know about popularity).
postbusf
Joined: November 15, 2007
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 02:54 PM UTC
Relatives and friends from the 298 victims, regarding flight MH17 wil be thrilled.
No good memories about this kind of hardware.
I got some real mixed feelings regarding this offering.
Sorry, I wanted to get this of my chest.
So, lets move on!
Btw, I love Meng.
No good memories about this kind of hardware.
I got some real mixed feelings regarding this offering.
Sorry, I wanted to get this of my chest.
So, lets move on!
Btw, I love Meng.
ijozic
Joined: May 23, 2007
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 03:20 PM UTC
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This will be huge (as in, kit size - I don’t know about popularity).
And in price as well, I guess. Unfortunately, being a fan of later Soviet stuff, it's one of those must-have kits for me.
mogdude
Joined: June 18, 2012
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 06:10 PM UTC
slobber,slobber,drool ,drool another 1k+ parts kit ?,I hope not ,I am still bogged down with their smerch 
HermannB
Joined: October 14, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 07:09 PM UTC
Depending upon the price, it will end as a Fimnish ItO96M in my shelf.
SDavies
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 09:15 PM UTC
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Relatives and friends from the 298 victims, regarding flight MH17 wil be thrilled.
No good memories about this kind of hardware.
I got some real mixed feelings regarding this offering.
Sorry, I wanted to get this of my chest.
So, lets move on!
Btw, I love Meng.
Well I thought the same thing but it's just a plastic kit. I make German WW2 tanks because I am interested in them not because of the regime that made them.
HeavyArty
Joined: May 16, 2002
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 09:30 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextRelatives and friends from the 298 victims, regarding flight MH17 wil be thrilled.
No good memories about this kind of hardware.
I got some real mixed feelings regarding this offering.
Sorry, I wanted to get this of my chest.
So, lets move on!
Btw, I love Meng.
Well I thought the same thing but it's just a plastic kit. I make German WW2 tanks because I am interested in them not because of the regime that made them.
You could say the same thing about any military model kit. They are weapons of war. They have all killed lots of potentially innocent people. If you are hung up on this, maybe you should build car models instead.
Tank1812
Joined: April 29, 2014
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 09:54 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted TextRelatives and friends from the 298 victims, regarding flight MH17 wil be thrilled.
No good memories about this kind of hardware.
I got some real mixed feelings regarding this offering.
Sorry, I wanted to get this of my chest.
So, lets move on!
Btw, I love Meng.
Well I thought the same thing but it's just a plastic kit. I make German WW2 tanks because I am interested in them not because of the regime that made them.
You could say the same thing about any military model kit. They are weapons of war. They have all killed lots of potentially innocent people. If you are hung up on this, maybe you should build car models instead.
I don't know about cars either. 80,000+ have died in vehicles the last two years combined in the US alone. Almost all models have at some point lead to the death of someone. If that is important to you from a hobby point of view then maybe this hobby is not for you.
Kevlar06
Joined: March 15, 2009
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Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 - 01:51 AM UTC
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Relatives and friends from the 298 victims, regarding flight MH17 wil be thrilled.
No good memories about this kind of hardware.
I got some real mixed feelings regarding this offering.
Sorry, I wanted to get this of my chest.
So, lets move on!
Btw, I love Meng.
I thought the exact same thing when I opened the post early this AM. But as others have said, we model these items as technological subjects, not the philosophy behind why they exist.
VR, Russ
Kevlar06
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Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 - 01:57 AM UTC
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"...Almost all models have at some point lead to the death of someone. If that is important to you from a hobby point of view then maybe this hobby is not for you."
... Geeze!!!!--- I hope that's not really the case almost all models have led to someone's death!!! Maybe from all the chemicals, paints and solvents?!?! It's true, I've cut myself pretty bad with an Xacto blade too, I guess I could have bled to death!! I don't know about you but I'm ready to quit right now if this information is true! (Sorry, I couldn't resist!).
VR, Russ
U-mark
Joined: January 04, 2017
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Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 - 02:20 AM UTC
I'm really getting to love Meng too. I'm finishing their T-90 w/dozer blade now, what a beautiful kit. Time to start saving my pennies for the ADS.
Tank1812
Joined: April 29, 2014
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Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 - 03:11 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted Text"...Almost all models have at some point lead to the death of someone. If that is important to you from a hobby point of view then maybe this hobby is not for you."
... Geeze!!!!--- I hope that's not really the case almost all models have led to someone's death!!! Maybe from all the chemicals, paints and solvents?!?! It's true, I've cut myself pretty bad with an Xacto blade too, I guess I could have bled to death!! I don't know about you but I'm ready to quit right now if this information is true! (Sorry, I couldn't resist!).
VR, Russ
Well played sir. You did miss death by spouse for the amount of money spent.
Kevlar06
Joined: March 15, 2009
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Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 - 10:14 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted Text"...Almost all models have at some point lead to the death of someone. If that is important to you from a hobby point of view then maybe this hobby is not for you."
... Geeze!!!!--- I hope that's not really the case almost all models have led to someone's death!!! Maybe from all the chemicals, paints and solvents?!?! It's true, I've cut myself pretty bad with an Xacto blade too, I guess I could have bled to death!! I don't know about you but I'm ready to quit right now if this information is true! (Sorry, I couldn't resist!).
VR, Russ
Well played sir. You did miss death by spouse for the amount of money spent.
I have a pretty forgiving spouse-- I haven't been murdered in my sleep "yet"--- only minor hospitalization-- but yes, I guess that could count!
now I guess we are really 
Sometimes it pays to read what we've written before hitting the "send" button-- I'm very guilty of this too-- but your comment gave me a good laugh-- I just couldn't resist!
VR, Russ
Doodeck
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Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 - 10:33 PM UTC
And of course, Panda announced their Buk kit too...
U-mark
Joined: January 04, 2017
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Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 - 11:29 PM UTC
Panda's kit will no doubt be cheaper than Meng's and with a lower parts count. We will have to wait until release to find out which is more accurate, and more finely molded, but my guess is the Meng kit will be the better of the two.
panzerbob01
Joined: March 06, 2010
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Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2018 - 01:12 AM UTC
Patience, young and old Padawans!
Meng is coming out now, Panda in perhaps a month or so, Takom will be tooling soon, and.... Yeah, Trumpeter will slide one of these things out not to far from now, as well. I think Zvezda will come along eventually. So says my dingy, cracked, dark old crystal ball!
Trumpeter will shoot for highest part-count. Takom will shuffle in with a solid bid for detail and accuracy. And because there are actually versions of the BUK... Takom will offer versions. Trumpy, not to be up-staged, will follow suit. Meng may feel challenged and slide another version out. Panda will offer one kit, which will almost certainly win by price. Zvezda will offer a Big Russian with soft detail, lower parts-count, no PE to confound those who fear that stuff, and modest price. If T-55 kits are any predictive indicator... Eventually MiniArt will come out with a BUK with full interior. It will doubtless be pretty accurate, and it WILL come in a HUGE box. Maybe a 2500+ part kit! Not only NOT a weekend-build, but not even a 1-month build. Maybe some could get such a thing done in a year. Talk about "modeling pleasure" for your modeling dollar / Euro / etc.!
We all like choices. There will be some! regardless of which kit you end up with, once you do get it done
, it will be a BIG thing on your shelf!
Bob
Meng is coming out now, Panda in perhaps a month or so, Takom will be tooling soon, and.... Yeah, Trumpeter will slide one of these things out not to far from now, as well. I think Zvezda will come along eventually. So says my dingy, cracked, dark old crystal ball!
Trumpeter will shoot for highest part-count. Takom will shuffle in with a solid bid for detail and accuracy. And because there are actually versions of the BUK... Takom will offer versions. Trumpy, not to be up-staged, will follow suit. Meng may feel challenged and slide another version out. Panda will offer one kit, which will almost certainly win by price. Zvezda will offer a Big Russian with soft detail, lower parts-count, no PE to confound those who fear that stuff, and modest price. If T-55 kits are any predictive indicator... Eventually MiniArt will come out with a BUK with full interior. It will doubtless be pretty accurate, and it WILL come in a HUGE box. Maybe a 2500+ part kit! Not only NOT a weekend-build, but not even a 1-month build. Maybe some could get such a thing done in a year. Talk about "modeling pleasure" for your modeling dollar / Euro / etc.!
We all like choices. There will be some! regardless of which kit you end up with, once you do get it done
, it will be a BIG thing on your shelf! Bob
Beastmaster
Joined: January 27, 2009
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Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 - 01:58 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted TextRelatives and friends from the 298 victims, regarding flight MH17 wil be thrilled.
No good memories about this kind of hardware.
I got some real mixed feelings regarding this offering.
Sorry, I wanted to get this of my chest.
So, lets move on!
Btw, I love Meng.
Well I thought the same thing but it's just a plastic kit. I make German WW2 tanks because I am interested in them not because of the regime that made them.
You could say the same thing about any military model kit. They are weapons of war. They have all killed lots of potentially innocent people. If you are hung up on this, maybe you should build car models instead.
Exactly and there's a dispute that it was even a Buk that shot it down. Look forward to this.
koalorka
Joined: June 16, 2010
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Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 - 07:08 AM UTC
I've often asked why the Kiev government assured the airlines that it was safe to operate in the area, and permitted commercial operators to fly over a warzone where in the weeks prior, military transports and combat aircraft were downed by advanced anti-aircraft systems?
In their callous arrogance to downplay the armed uprising, the Kiev government is complicit in the tragedy IMO.
In their callous arrogance to downplay the armed uprising, the Kiev government is complicit in the tragedy IMO.
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Relatives and friends from the 298 victims, regarding flight MH17 wil be thrilled.
No good memories about this kind of hardware.
I got some real mixed feelings regarding this offering.
Sorry, I wanted to get this of my chest.
So, lets move on!
knewton
Joined: June 19, 2013
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Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 - 07:54 AM UTC
Let’s discuss the merits, or not, of the kit, shall we?
Jacques
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Posted: Saturday, May 19, 2018 - 09:09 PM UTC
Agreed. Try to keep to the model topic. I understand the emotional side of it, but that does not help with the discussions of the merits of the forthcoming kit.
I for one am very excited about having this kit out from MENG. Having all the SA series out would be awesome.
I for one am very excited about having this kit out from MENG. Having all the SA series out would be awesome.
JavierDeLuelmo
Joined: February 29, 2016
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Posted: Friday, May 25, 2018 - 01:10 AM UTC
It's just a plastic kit. Ok. Nice.
But the Joint International Criminal Investigation Team on the MH17 has just concluded their work and it's all quite clear. Crystal clear.
So no doubts. No fakes. No excuses.
But the Joint International Criminal Investigation Team on the MH17 has just concluded their work and it's all quite clear. Crystal clear.
So no doubts. No fakes. No excuses.
retiredyank
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Posted: Friday, May 25, 2018 - 01:24 AM UTC
The Smerch has been collecting dust, in my closet. When I get around to building that, I may have to pick up one of these. The reviews/comparisons should be out, by then. I certainly hope it doesn't shoot down my su-27.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Friday, May 25, 2018 - 01:41 AM UTC
Quoted Text
It's just a plastic kit. Ok. Nice.
But the Joint International Criminal Investigation Team on the MH17 has just concluded their work and it's all quite clear. Crystal clear.
So no doubts. No fakes. No excuses.
Yes? The B-52, the Phantom (not the one from the opera, I mean the aircraft), Soviet/Russian weapon systems, US and NATO weapon systems, kitchen knifes, small arms and rifles et.c. and et.c. have killed a lot of people. The tobacco industry is killing a LOT of people (but they do it slowly) and modellers are still building racing cars with advertising by the tobacco industry on them. The automotive industry has already been mentioned in a previous post.
A suicidal German airline pilot flew a plane full of people straight into a mountainside in the Alps. School shootings around the world, mostly in the US. Spanish civil war.
I can sympathise with the immense sorrow felt by those who lost someone when MH17 was shot down. There are plenty of people around the world who has lost someone because of some violence or other the last few years.
I am certain that there are still quite a few survivors of the holocaust who are less than thrilled about all those models of Nazi-German war equipment being put on the market.
If someone wants to bring moral into modelling then please do it thoroughly and mention all the systems/weapons that need to be banned. I am sure that there are many bereaved relatives who are thrilled by models of SU-15's, the type of Soviet aircraft that shot down a Korean airliner in 1983.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007
"The incident was the deadliest airliner shootdown up to that point in aviation history, although its death toll would be surpassed by the United States Navy's downing of Iran Air Flight 655 less than five years later, and again by the shootdown of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in July 2014."
Don't build any models of Ticonderoga-class cruisers ...
/ Robin
Edit:
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/269153&page=1
Milk was called the "white poison" many years ago.
The reason was that milk which hadn't been heat treated,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteurization
could spread tuberculosis which was a major killer.
"Milk is an excellent medium for microbial growth,[17] and when stored at ambient temperature bacteria and other pathogens soon proliferate.[18] The US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) says improperly handled raw milk is responsible for nearly three times more hospitalizations than any other food-borne disease source, making it one of the world's most dangerous food products.[19][20] Diseases prevented by pasteurization can include tuberculosis, brucellosis, diphtheria, scarlet fever, and Q-fever; it also kills the harmful bacteria Salmonella, Listeria, Yersinia, Campylobacter, Staphylococcus aureus, and Escherichia coli O157:H7,[21][22] among others.
Prior to industrialization, dairy cows were kept in urban areas to limit the time between milk production and consumption hence the risk of disease transmission via raw milk was reduced.[23] As urban densities increased and supply chains lengthened to the distance from country to city, raw milk (often days old) became recognized as a source of disease. For example, between 1912 and 1937 some 65,000 people died of tuberculosis contracted from consuming milk in England and Wales alone.[24] Because tuberculosis has a long incubation period in humans, it was difficult to link unpasteurized milk consumption as the cause to the effect of disease.[25] In 1892, chemist Earnest Lederle experimentally inoculated milk from tuberculosis-diseased cows into Guinea pigs, which caused them to develop the disease.[26] In 1910, Lederle, then in the role of Commissioner of Health, introduced mandatory pasteurization of milk in New York city.[26]"
Those milk containers will surely please someone who has lost a relative due to bacteria from milk.
Time to take my medication I think ...
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