Of course nowadays there are plenty of new model manufacturers who might just decide to put out a good kit where one of their rivals had put out a bad one.

... edit it out is un-[auto-censored]ing-believable.

Given the number of people on here and elsewhere who despise "rivet counters" and claim that "It looks like an X to me", it would not be surprising that it was acceptable to the majority of modelers. People buy those Toon Tanks, you know.

And, if you are the type who builds models in order to have a canvas and a neat backdrop for your photos of boutique paints and finishing supplies, then you probably think they are OK, too.

KL

Of course nowadays there are plenty of new model manufacturers who might just decide to put out a good kit where one of their rivals had put out a bad one.

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Oh yes, I see how Meng, Takom and Hobbyboss et.al. are all just tripping over themselves to release new improved kits of the Black plague M6 heavy, M103 and Saladin.


Just like they all did with Tiger II and Panthers yup, all those new kits of the subjects Dragon fudged up.

Nope, for the foreseeable future it's the Black Death for those subjects.

But then there have been two new Sheridan's after a decades long wait.

And two whole new series of Lee/Grant after a dozen years--

But will I live that long?

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Of course nowadays there are plenty of new model manufacturers who might just decide to put out a good kit where one of their rivals had put out a bad one.

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Oh yes, I see how Meng, Takom and Hobbyboss et.al. are all just tripping over themselves to release new improved kits of the Black plague M6 heavy, M103 and Saladin.


Just like they all did with Tiger II and Panthers yup, all those new kits of the subjects Dragon fudged up.

Nope, for the foreseeable future it's the Black Death for those subjects.

But then there have been two new Sheridan's after a decades long wait.

And two whole new series of Lee/Grant after a dozen years--

But will I live that long?

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Given the number of people on here and elsewhere who despise "rivet counters" and claim that "It looks like an X to me", it would not be surprising that it was acceptable to the majority of modelers. People buy those Toon Tanks, you know.

And, if you are the type who builds models in order to have a canvas and a neat backdrop for your photos of boutique paints and finishing supplies, then you probably think they are OK, too.

KL

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The key flaw in this argument is two-fold-
Meng's Toon kits do not claim to be nor are marketed as serious replicas of the vehicle in question. Nor do they cost $60-$80 for a lazy, sloppy effort by Dragon on the Black Label kits.

Sigh. Here, let me delete the tail end sentence so you can focus on the other 90% of my post, and make it clear what I was talking about without the earlier references:


Given the number of people on here and elsewhere who despise "rivet counters" and claim that "It looks like an X to me", it would not be surprising if the BL kits were acceptable to the majority of modelers.

And, if you are the type who builds models in order to have a canvas and a neat backdrop for your photos of boutique paints and finishing supplies, then you probably think they are OK, too.

Is that better?

KL

. . . I think complaints about bolt counters are going to be few and far between in the near future.

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I have seen no evidence of it dying down and there was a thread within the last month that was as virulent as ever.

KL

Being a robot [sic - rivet?] counter is like being a double edged sword, the good side of the blade striving to create an excellent and accurate model be it working with the manufacturers and or creating after market sets to offer for sale and the bad side, nit picking models while forgetting this a hobby and that all models are built to the owners own spec.

...Rivet counters find faults with kits; Fun Builders find faults with Rivet Counters.

KL

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I think in all the many posts you've made on Armorama Kurt, that's the funniest thing I've seen you write. You really cracked me up with that one, but, I have to agree, it's somewhat true and well said. I think I'm somewhere in between-- some kits I like to rivet count, other kits I like to build for fun (but end up doing a little rivet counting anyway). If we as model builders didn't demand so much from kit manufacturers, we'd still be building Aurora style kits with national insignia marker lines on the wings, or in the case of Armor kits-- rubber bands for tracks.
VR, Russ

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I think in all the many posts you've made on Armorama Kurt, that's the funniest thing I've seen you write. You really cracked me up with that one, but, I have to agree, it's somewhat true and well said. I think I'm somewhere in between-- some kits I like to rivet count, other kits I like to build for fun (but end up doing a little rivet counting anyway). If we as model builders didn't demand so much from kit manufacturers, we'd still be building Aurora style kits with national insignia marker lines on the wings, or in the case of Armor kits-- rubber bands for tracks.
VR, Russ

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Like I said, hobby supplies are more expensive and not easy to pick up locally like in the past, so I say the way of the Fun Builders is going the way of Sears.

Does anyone here remember Dragon's very first 1/35 Jeep - the one with interior issues, wheel hub issues, but, most obvious, a totally incorrect grill - which previous companies like Tamiya, and even Italeri, got right, or at least, more correct (or less wrong)? Considering it was more expensive than either of the other two offerings, could that be considered as "acceptable" to even a casual modeler? I bought one and immediately returned it to the LHS at a loss because it was opened. It certainly wasn't worth the cost of additional after-market corrective parts!

Does anyone here remember Dragon's very first 1/35 Jeep - the one with interior issues, wheel hub issues, but, most obvious, a totally incorrect grill - which previous companies like Tamiya, and even Italeri, got right, or at least, more correct (or less wrong)? Considering it was more expensive than either of the other two offerings, could that be considered as "acceptable" to even a casual modeler? I bought one and immediately returned it to the LHS at a loss because it was opened. It certainly wasn't worth the cost of additional after-market corrective parts!

False analogy. Like saying that the casual reader will fade away because book stores were replaced by Amazon.