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Quiet Professionals
Savage
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Posted: Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 07:14 PM UTC
Right, I’m taking a big liberty here (Jeremy please forgive me), time to raise some support for a campaign.

Herchealer in a former post entitled New Campaign suggested a campaign named Quiet Professionals. In reading the last line in Jeremy’s post “Any one interested please speak up” I expected an ‘Incoming’ type response. I waited for the flood, nothing happened, a small trickle started waned and stopped.

Yes, I know the dates are screwy. I’m sure Jeremy and our Illustrious Leader / s (insert appropriate kneeling figure here ) will sort this out.

With Jeremy’s permission I would like to open a dialog / debate on this campaign.

Almost every Military in existence today has them, Special Forces! These guys use just about any and every weapon we can think about, plus are clothed in just about anything from Jeans and trainers to Guille suits (check out : http://www.usspecialarmycadets.com/guille.html for some info).

Except for the obvious US SFs these also spring to mind:
Pararescue forces
Combat controllers
Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR)
RPV / UAV
Chindits
Carpetbaggers
LRDG
Dambusters
MTB / MGBs
English riflemen in the 18th / 19th century (Help me out here guys.)

Except for SF I believe that daring raids etc should also be included. Quoted from USAF Special Operations the ‘Carpetbaggers’:

“In one operation, a stripped-down C-47 smuggled a captured German V2 rocket out of Sweden for examination.”

Also “When General Patton's drive into Germany stalled (His tank drive was so effective it ran ahead of the supply chain and they ran out of gas and had to stop) the Carpetbaggers modified their bombers-turned-cargo planes into flying fuel trucks, with the capacity to carry 2,500 gallons of non-aviation fuel each flight. All told, they airlifted almost a million gallons of fuel to Patton's gas-starved tanks and allowed them to resume their drive to Germany.”

This is one I would also like included non-military special forces , as not only the military have special forces, a few spring to mind.

CIA, MI5 etc. operatives (007 and all the boys )
GSG9 (Yes, they are actually part of the Border Guards / Police)
Smoke Jumpers
SWAT
FBI’s HRT
Russian Riot Police (sorry don’t know their correct designation)


For the reason that there are few OOTB SF models and that converting and scratch building would almost certainly be the order of the day, I would also like to see this campaign run until the end of 2005 (if possible). That would also see less pressure on the participants.

In the Campaign description Jeremy (Herchealer) expresses the following:

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HAVE FUN



So anybody up for building a Dumvee, ASDS, DPV, RIB, AIFV (BMD-3), Pave lows, Perentie (Brits / Aussies?), AH-6 / MH-6 or J version, Cockleshells (anyone?) or Mi-24 dropping off Spetsnaz, Raid on Entebbe, Hummer in ‘the Mog’, Sniper team in OIF?

If you don’t like any of the suggestions etc… Suggest an alternative.
Grumpyoldman
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Posted: Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 10:36 PM UTC
Oh... I thought I said count me in.....
well count me in.......
PorkChop
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Posted: Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 10:53 PM UTC
Yeah, I'm in. I have tons of 120MM figures I can do. Look for GSG-9 in 200MM or German Speical Forces in OEF, or Seals in 'Nam, or........
Marty
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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2004 - 03:24 AM UTC
Sounds like fun. Count me in.
Trisaw
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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2004 - 04:05 AM UTC
I'm in too.

The Campaign seems to suggest REAL SF. Sure, 007 is a spy, but I don't think it's appropriate to include his fictional vehicles or figures like RAMBO, correct?

I'm not vouching for fictional since chances are my entry will be a model of the real McCoy anyway, but I would like some clarification as to how much "fun" we can really have . Thanks.
Savage
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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2004 - 05:45 AM UTC

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I'm in too.

The Campaign seems to suggest REAL SF. Sure, 007 is a spy, but I don't think it's appropriate to include his fictional vehicles or figures like RAMBO, correct?



Correct! Sorry "CIA, MI5 etc. operatives (007 and all the boys)" was missing an fixed now! :-)

I meant mainly Operatives in 'military / paramilitary' environments Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq etc… Unless, that is, someone has a valid argument to the contrary?
Trisaw
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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2004 - 06:27 PM UTC

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I meant mainly Operatives in 'military / paramilitary' environments Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq etc… Unless, that is, someone has a valid argument to the contrary?



Got it. Thanks.
ambrose82
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Posted: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 05:24 AM UTC
I've got a Dragon 1:16 Navy Seal from 'Nam. I need an excuse to build him out.
Savage
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Posted: Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 02:37 AM UTC
Ambrose82 now you’ve got the excuse!

Participants so far!

1. Herchealer – TBA (To Be Announced)
2. Grumpyoldman – TBA
3. PorkChop – GSG-9 / German Speical Forces in OEF / Seals in 'Nam or........
4. Phantom_Major - US army LRRP
5. Marty – TBA
6. Trisaw - Figure-based (120mm scale)
7. Ambrose82 - Dragon 1:16 Navy Seal from 'Nam
8. Savage – Short term - SAS (Commando Car) jeep and Long term (IF I get enough info) DPV


ShermiesRule, Neill come on guys we need your support!


From Neill:

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Sound interesting... Any era as long as they are the Elite of the Elite?



Yep, Any era, keep it real though!
Trisaw
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Posted: Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 04:31 AM UTC
Not to get technical, but count me in as:


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Trisaw - Figure-based (120mm scale) AND/ OR 1/35 DML Kitbash



I have three 1/35 DML kitbashes constructed months ago...they just need paint. So if somehow I don't have the time, I'll paint and submit these.

I can't promise anyone 120mm Special Forces because at present, I don't have any that I would consider SPECIAL Forces.

Thanks.
Herchealer
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Posted: Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 11:32 AM UTC
Hello all I am back from my many travels. Savage Will be assisting me with this Operation. I have spoke to Gunnie and he is going to work on the dates and scales portion of the Operation. Any ideas or suggestions brought forward will make this one fun and enjoyable. If you want to build anything not listed below or in above texts just let us know and we will figure it out. Also If Savage speaks for me it is also good to go, since I have some more trips coming up, to some pretty crappy spots.

SO far
Rules:
This operation is for all of the Military special operators around the world. Entries must be special operation vehicles, aircraft, ships, or figures. Dio's are also welcome. Examples include, AC-130 gunships, MH Helicopters, Green Berets, Seals, SAS, LRRP's as will all US Air Force rescue aircraft since they now fall under AFSOC. Airborne Forces also count e.g. 101st from WWII, even Balloon Observers in WWI will also be counted as special ops as will SS / Waffen SS. Also anything having to do with special operations will work, e.g. Hummer in "Mog" etc… Hey why not include the Special Police type forces SWAT, HRT etc… Basically if it was something or is something no one should see or know about it, or what they are doing, it will count
NB: It can also be from any period.


Good luck all and we will come up with an updated list of who wants in soon.
Herchealer
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Posted: Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 11:38 AM UTC
My subbmission will probably be a MC-130H Combat Talon II offloading a couple of Hummers (compliments of Vodnik) Seeing as how I see these birds everyday, seems only logical to build one, and of course it will be my Airplane represented
Major_Goose
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Posted: Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 12:51 PM UTC
Hi there guys .
Interested to enter your campaign i have a question
to ask .

In this campaign we ll see many wwii or modern guys , almost all of them .

I was thinkin on doing a vigniette with some real older era quiet pro's.

A Vigniette with 2 Mohawk indian scouts . These guys were really quite. The were inserting killing, backing off and no one would know till next morning . What u think ? if thats ok with rules i promise u a very very nice vigniette probably at easing pose not battling but the quiet spirit will be there for sure !!!!!

So if its ok prepare to have a different addition in there

Costas
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Posted: Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 01:42 PM UTC
Of course Major Goose, I like the sound of that one. Use that by all means.


Herky
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Posted: Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 04:19 PM UTC
I am in with SWAT or SDU vignette .
Major_Goose
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Posted: Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 05:32 PM UTC
Ok Then count me in !!!!

Costas
Savage
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Posted: Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 10:30 PM UTC
Just a quick update! We now have just hit the magic 10 participants for this Operation / Campaign!

Participants to Date!

1. Herchealer – MC-130H Combat Talon II offloading a couple of Hummers
2. Grumpyoldman – TBA
3. PorkChop – GSG-9 / German Speical Forces in OEF / Seals in 'Nam or....
4. Phantom_Major - US army LRRP
5. Marty – TBA
6. Trisaw - Figure-based (120mm scale) AND/ OR 1/35 DML Kitbash
7. Ambrose82 - Dragon 1:16 Navy Seal from 'Nam
8. Savage – SAS (Commando Car) jeep and (IF I get enough info) DPV
9. Major_Goose - Vignette with 2 Mohawk Indian scouts
10.Graywolf - SWAT or SDU vignette

I believe we are going to see some really interesting subjects. To those enlisted so far thanks guys.
KoSprueOne
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Posted: Friday, August 20, 2004 - 11:48 PM UTC
This is a very interesting campaign.

I would like to submit a crew of Graffiti Writers on an early morning mission. They'll be painting a rooftop wall that will be in full view to daytime commuters.

scale 1:35

figures 2 - 3

vinette setting with partial walls of a building.
Savage
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Posted: Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 05:44 AM UTC

Sorry KoSprueOne, much as I would like to see this diorama, as I believe it would require quite some skill to model (roof, walls, clothing and actual Graffiti etc…), unless you are going to model them (the graffiti team) being taken down (arrested) or getting their tails kicked by SWAT or some other Special Forces team, this will unfortunately be a very big No, No!

The campaign is aimed at Military / Paramilitary Special Forces only (This includes Police and other law enforcement Special forces). I don’t consider you can put Graffiti Artists in the same category as these guys.

If you add some Police / Law enforcement e.g. SWAT climbing ladders (or absailing) to arrest / remove them from the roof, No Problem.
KoSprueOne
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Posted: Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 11:23 AM UTC
by SAVAGE Quote: If you add some Police / Law enforcement e.g. SWAT climbing ladders (or absailing) to arrest / remove them from the roof, No Problem.

The police watching and/or catching them...nice added angle. Since graffiti has become an international urban problem, many cities have developed graffiti task forces, within the local law enforcement departments, to collect data and intel [recon] specifically regarding graffiti writers and their movements.
That just changed the story design I had, but for the better.
I can do that.
Savage
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Posted: Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 06:58 AM UTC

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I can do that.



KoSprueOne, Go for it! Welcome number 11! Now just to get those dates changed.
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 07:08 AM UTC
I think I got a Dragon SWAT or LAPD or something like that lying around. I will have to think about this one. Figures aren't my strong suit.
Herchealer
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Posted: Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 11:57 AM UTC
they dont have to have figures Shermie, If you do any aircraft of vehicle that special forces would use, that would count also.


Herky
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Posted: Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 05:46 PM UTC
Well please the leaders of the campaign clear out the Campaigns statement cause in Campaigns HQ appears two campaigns with same name and unidentified dates.
So clear this out.
I also belive that we could get launched before this is officially approved, as others campaigns have done.
just a thought

Costas
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