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Advice needed, Horch 1a
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2003 - 08:19 AM UTC
:-) Hi tread heads,
Can anyone tell me if the Horch 1a was used in operation Barbarossa? I have the Tamiya kit, with 2cm flak 38. If it was is the kit colour scheme of Dark yellow with Green camo and the uniforms of the crew appropriate for that operation?
I have absolutley no references and would also be interested in any web sites that are out there, that will give me information, on both this vehicle and Op barbarossa.
Mal
PS I normally build things with wings :-)
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2003 - 01:59 PM UTC
Mal, I belive that the Horch may have been available to participate in Barbarossa, but not in the dark yellow based camo. At that time (1941) German vehicles were still in overall dark grey. The kits crew uniforms may also be too late for that campaign.
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2003 - 06:41 PM UTC
:-) Thanks Geoff,
Looks like I wont be joining the Barbarossa campaign then
Mal
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Posted: Monday, March 24, 2003 - 06:39 AM UTC
Hi,

Some sites with references to Barbarossa operation:



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Posted: Monday, March 24, 2003 - 01:48 PM UTC
The Horch and flak 38 can be used. German Panzer Grey Color.

http://ifrance.com/2iemeguerre/blindes/horch_1a_2cm_flak_38.htm

If the uniforms are the Waffen SS M38 Smock, the figures can be used. If they are M42, no.

http://www.hajot-net.de/uniformen.html
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 06:26 AM UTC
:-) Thanks for the replies, guys. Of course I'm now more confused than ever.
I can use the Horch and 2cm flak if I paint them Panzer grey?
Nice link, Charles, but it dosen't help me to identify the uniforms, on the kit figures. So can someone tell me if they are M38 or M42 pattern?
I could just build the vehicle, but that sort of defeats the object
Thanks anyway guys :-)
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 06:41 AM UTC
Hi,

For uniforms of german troops at WWII you have Uniforms at Third Reich FactBook.


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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 07:00 AM UTC
Sorry for the confusion The paint is Panzer Grey, the same color used on the panzers.

this site shows the M38 Camo

http://www.1944militaria.com

this site shows the M40 and M42 Camo

http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Galleries/Uniforms2.html

There is not a lot of difference in the smocks. If I were you I would use the figures provided. A lot of us could not tell the difference anyway.

This site has the Waffen SS OOB. It will help in picking your dio location.

http://www.wssob.com

This site has an article on paint in the additional info section.

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 08:17 AM UTC
:-) Thanks again guys. It looks, at first glance, as if it might be possible. I'll do a little more checking then I might be in :-)
Mal
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